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Re: DIY real grand action controller? [Re: johnstaf] #2921177 12/09/19 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Enjoy! I've just finished rebuilding my action with new parts.

Would love pics!

I've watched so many YouTube videos about piano repairs and regulation, the Reblitz book is my bible already laugh And I know how many things I can do to that poor old keyboard to make it good but the list is endless and if I follow it I may never finish it. Even now, more than a year after I started, I have no huge progress due to having not enough time and being lazy. So, I kind of look at that project as a prototype and Proof of Concept and need to put the limit somewhere already. But it would have been nice to replace front rail bushings, hammer knuckles, re-pin some hammers.

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Re: DIY real grand action controller? [Re: CyberGene] #2921188 12/09/19 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
So, I kind of look at that project as a prototype and Proof of Concept and need to put the limit somewhere already.

Words of genius. I completely agree with that philosophy. I've seen so many project fail from the desire to perfect. Systems which were already good but never released because the original developer wanted to tweak.

One piece of open-source software I know took 20 years to get out of "beta". 20 years for software is a lifetime. But this isn't even so unusual for some open-source software projects, unfortunately.

I knew of someone who worked on a kit-plane he bought the plan and parts for. It was never finished. (Over time I tracked his progress on a website he set up with pics, like the pics posted in your thread.) He tinkered on it every weekend for 25 years. He made engineering changes to reduce the cost, such as to the motor, which added years to the development time. Then he died of a heart attack a few years ago. Don't know what happened to the partially completed plane after that. Perhaps his wife tried to sell it or just scrap it. (I know I wouldn't buy someone else's partially completed kit plane on which the original builder have taken creative license!)


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Re: DIY real grand action controller? [Re: CyberGene] #2921196 12/09/19 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
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Enjoy! I've just finished rebuilding my action with new parts.

Would love pics!

I've watched so many YouTube videos about piano repairs and regulation, the Reblitz book is my bible already laugh And I know how many things I can do to that poor old keyboard to make it good but the list is endless and if I follow it I may never finish it. Even now, more than a year after I started, I have no huge progress due to having not enough time and being lazy. So, I kind of look at that project as a prototype and Proof of Concept and need to put the limit somewhere already. But it would have been nice to replace front rail bushings, hammer knuckles, re-pin some hammers.


I'm sure it will be fine. Pianos Inside Out by Mario Igrec is a must read, although it made me neurotic about things I needed to do. If you thought Reblitz was detailed...

Re: DIY real grand action controller? [Re: CyberGene] #2921197 12/09/19 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Originally Posted by johnstaf
Enjoy! I've just finished rebuilding my action with new parts.

Would love pics!

I've watched so many YouTube videos about piano repairs and regulation, the Reblitz book is my bible already laugh And I know how many things I can do to that poor old keyboard to make it good but the list is endless and if I follow it I may never finish it. Even now, more than a year after I started, I have no huge progress due to having not enough time and being lazy. So, I kind of look at that project as a prototype and Proof of Concept and need to put the limit somewhere already. But it would have been nice to replace front rail bushings, hammer knuckles, re-pin some hammers.


Reblitz is a great tool, but youtube videos speak thousand words, so I am sure you are on your way wink

Re: DIY real grand action controller? [Re: CyberGene] #2921225 12/09/19 09:38 AM
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Awesome project CyberGene. So take lots of photos or videos if you like.

As this is a beta project and the keyboard needs a lot of rework and you have limited piano repair experience, I would look at rebuilding in two stages.

First, get the action clean and usable state. Button up the electronics and tweak. See how you like the project.

If you like the preliminary results, revisit the keyboard refurb in the future. I also think taking big refurb in two steps will improve the learning curve, making for a much better refurb.

If the results are great, you may be motivated to finalise the keyboard refub 2.0 very quickly. If the results are absolute rubbish, better to find out sooner than later.

Re: DIY real grand action controller? [Re: CyberGene] #2935641 01/18/20 09:17 AM
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I know you’re expecting updates and there will be but I had a funny story today I have to tell.

Around Christmas my sister was at home with her husband. He saw that our bedroom was turned into a workshop with a grand piano action and was quite interested in the project (or maybe because he’s a clinical psychiatrist 🤣). And I got a call from him today that there’s some old grand in his fathers house that they need to get rid of. It’s in his words in bad condition, so I can borrow some parts if needed. I asked for pictures and he sent me this one:
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Well, I was disappointed to see it’s again a 85 key action 😒 Doesn’t seem well preserved either. So, I asked if he knew what brand it was and he said he didn’t know and was already preparing to leave and couldn’t see it.

Anyway, he apparently has found a moment to go and make a picture of the piano brand and sent a picture of it with the words “here’s a picture of the brand, whatever that name means and read.... have you heard it?”.

Wait for it, I’ll post it soon 😉

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Re: DIY real grand action controller? [Re: CyberGene] #2935643 01/18/20 09:19 AM
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Re: DIY real grand action controller? [Re: CyberGene] #2935655 01/18/20 10:01 AM
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Hehe!

Wow!

I wonder if it's a Viennese action though.

Re: DIY real grand action controller? [Re: johnstaf] #2935656 01/18/20 10:05 AM
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Hehe!

Wow!

I wonder if it's a Viennese action though.

Yep, I’m also afraid it might be Viennese in which case I’ll pass on it. But I’m dreaming that it may actually not be in so bad condition and with a double-escapement action and if that’s the case I might even try to restore it. Dream on 🎹


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Re: DIY real grand action controller? [Re: CyberGene] #2935664 01/18/20 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene

Yep, I’m also afraid it might be Viennese in which case I’ll pass on it. But I’m dreaming that it may actually not be in so bad condition and with a double-escapement action and if that’s the case I might even try to restore it. Dream on 🎹


You never know! Fingers crossed!

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Score! What a find. It'd be a shame if it were in completely ruined shape.

It's hard to tell from the pictures, but is the capo bar non-adjustable? I thought that was always a thing with Bosies.


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Just get that fall board. i forget, is that what it’s called? You can retrofit it into your finished product. wow


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Originally Posted by TomLC
Just get that fall board. i forget, is that what it’s called? You can retrofit it into your finished product. wow


I love this idea smile


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85 is a hint!

worst case, you might fit your own action in it for a start.


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