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Opinions on Kawai Piano #2920755 12/07/19 06:20 PM
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Hello, I’m looking for opinions/information on a Kawai 606SPO, Serial #A106290, listed for $1750.
The piano appears to be in very good condition as far as I can tell, and the owner says it was tuned about a year ago, with pictures from the tuning. Is this a reasonable price for the piano? Attached are pictures.
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0n4pAynJsrt96ahjQonhLet9w

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Re: Opinions on Kawai Piano [Re: imisch] #2920765 12/07/19 07:19 PM
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You don't say where you are located; so, in what currency is the sum of $1750.00?

It's impossible to say whether the price is reasonable, even knowing the currency, without knowing the condition of the piano "... appears to be in very good condition as far as I can tell..." does not mean that the piano is in good condition.

Depending upon how it was used, maintained, and what kind of environment it was kept in, the piano could be in reasonably good condition, but only a technician checking the piano thoroughly can determine that. That will help determine if the price is reasonable.

According to Pierce, the letter "A" preceding the serial number indicates that the piano was made in the USA and, if that is correct, that serial number would indicate that the piano was produced in 2002.


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Re: Opinions on Kawai Piano [Re: imisch] #2920766 12/07/19 07:20 PM
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It seems like I haven’t heard as good things about the Kawais that were made in the US factory like this one, is that something to be concerned about? I’m located in the US, Alaska. Thanks for the input

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Re: Opinions on Kawai Piano [Re: imisch] #2920943 12/08/19 12:27 PM
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Price is more of a local market condition, but it is a modest home instrument of generally decent quality and not very old in piano years. The photos look good, but still recommend a tech inspection for any used purchase, especially from a private seller. There certainly can be concealed issues, but there is nothing suspicious I can see or know about that model.

Furniture style consoles used to be the bread & butter of the home market here in the US. The furniture style cabinets and lighter wood finishes are now a very small part of the market.

Importantly, did you like it?

Finally, IMO, a console like that, if in good condition will be better than a digital piano for ~ same dollars, but only if very regularly maintained. A tech inspection will also give you a chance to speak with the tech about those maintenance costs. For many owners, maintenance falls by the wayside, so a digital piano for similar dollars would actually be better.


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Re: Opinions on Kawai Piano [Re: PianoWorksATL] #2921393 12/09/19 06:15 PM
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Thanks much for the input, I would definitely have a technician look at it before I purchase it, if I do. I did like it quite a lot. I will make sure to find out about maintenance costs/info.

Re: Opinions on Kawai Piano [Re: imisch] #2921407 12/09/19 07:03 PM
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Furniture style consoles used to be the bread & butter of the home market here in the US. The furniture style cabinets and lighter wood finishes are now a very small part of the market.


The details about which styles and colors are popular has always been really interesting to me! It seems like there is less of a market for pianos purchased by casual players, and the more serious players and piano enthusiasts seem to more often prefer black pianos. While I still shopping for my grand, I mentioned to my tuner that I was hoping to get a black piano. He said "of course you are. You're a player. Players play black pianos."

I was so surprised by that, but then I felt like he's probably right....

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Re: Opinions on Kawai Piano [Re: imisch] #2921412 12/09/19 07:17 PM
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I certainly consider myself a real player.., but I dislike black pianos. Yes, I have one because that is what is readily available now but I would have loved something else. It was a compromise to have the touch, tone and price. I doubt I am alone in this.


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Re: Opinions on Kawai Piano [Re: ShiroKuro] #2921414 12/09/19 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
The details about which styles and colors are popular has always been really interesting to me! It seems like there is less of a market for pianos purchased by casual players, and the more serious players and piano enthusiasts seem to more often prefer black pianos. While I still shopping for my grand, I mentioned to my tuner that I was hoping to get a black piano. He said "of course you are. You're a player. Players play black pianos."

I was so surprised by that, but then I felt like he's probably right....
Non ebony finishes often cost a lot more since they are more costly to produce. If they were the same price as ebony finishes, I think a lot more people would buy wood finishes. Another reason black is popular is that it goes with everything. Finish preference is somewhat cyclical. Fifteen years ago non ebony finishes were much more popular than they are today.

Buying a non ebony finish does not indicate the buyer is less of a pianist than one who buys a black piano.

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Re: Opinions on Kawai Piano [Re: imisch] #2921417 12/09/19 07:25 PM
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Dogperson, I'm sure you're right. There will always be people who want one color or another for reasons related to their interior decor etc. And I certainly didn't mean to imply that someone isn't a real player if they own or prefer a piano that's not black. But I do have the impression, as Sam mentioned, that the preferences for pianos seems to have shifted to black maybe more so than in the past...

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That was me when I bought my Petrof. It was a European-style upright (or what I like to call legless), and I originally said I wasn't even going to go play it because I never liked that style of upright. But there was a Baldwin I was considering, and the seller arranged for both pianos to be in the same place so I could compare them. I ended up loving the Petrof's sound and feel, so much more than the Baldwin that I was almost to purchase. So I decided to buy the Petrof even though I really didn't like how it looked. I adjusted very quickly to the style/look of it, and at some point I realized that I had started to really like how it looked as well! The sound won me over, so the compromise on the visual aspect quickly resolved.


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
The details about which styles and colors are popular has always been really interesting to me! It seems like there is less of a market for pianos purchased by casual players, and the more serious players and piano enthusiasts seem to more often prefer black pianos. While I still shopping for my grand, I mentioned to my tuner that I was hoping to get a black piano. He said "of course you are. You're a player. Players play black pianos."

I was so surprised by that, but then I felt like he's probably right....
Non ebony finishes often cost a lot more since they are more costly to produce. If they were the same price as ebony finishes, I think a lot more people would buy wood finishes. Another reason black is popular is that it goes with everything. Finish preference is somewhat cyclical. Fifteen years ago non ebony finishes were much more popular than they are today.

Buying a non ebony finish does not indicate the buyer is less of a pianist than one who buys a black piano.

Not true ! In Sauter ,August Forster, and some others polished ebony is more expensive .
The Walnut finish is cheaper than Polished Ebony.

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Dealers typically stock black pianos because according to Larry Fine’s new piano database, ebony/black is the lowest priced, covers any wood blemishes, and is the easiest to cover any scratches. It matches every style. To buy a walnut burl or mahogany finish in nearly any piano brand is more expensive and in some cases matches the increase in price of getting the next size up. So technically speaking you get more piano for your money in black. OTOH - A piano is a huge purchase for most of us and if I love polished walnut burl to match my grandfather’s clock, it certainly doesn’t make me a less serious player, it just makes me a person willing to spend more money on the cabinetry rather than use the money for a larger piano.

The hidden Bubinga trim on the Estonia I bought certainly didn’t hurt its appeal to me as the buyer.


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Originally Posted by j&j
Dealers typically stock black pianos because according to Larry Fine’s new piano database, ebony/black is the lowest priced, covers any wood blemishes, and is the easiest to cover any scratches. It matches every style. To buy a walnut burl or mahogany finish in nearly any piano brand is more expensive and in some cases matches the increase in price of getting the next size up. So technically speaking you get more piano for your money in black. OTOH - A piano is a huge purchase for most of us and if I love polished walnut burl to match my grandfather’s clock, it certainly doesn’t make me a less serious player, it just makes me a person willing to spend more money on the cabinetry rather than use the money for a larger piano.

The hidden Bubinga trim on the Estonia I bought certainly didn’t hurt its appeal to me as the buyer.

Sometimes polished ebony is now more expensive!

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
The details about which styles and colors are popular has always been really interesting to me! It seems like there is less of a market for pianos purchased by casual players, and the more serious players and piano enthusiasts seem to more often prefer black pianos. While I still shopping for my grand, I mentioned to my tuner that I was hoping to get a black piano. He said "of course you are. You're a player. Players play black pianos."

I was so surprised by that, but then I felt like he's probably right....
Non ebony finishes often cost a lot more since they are more costly to produce. If they were the same price as ebony finishes, I think a lot more people would buy wood finishes. Another reason black is popular is that it goes with everything. Finish preference is somewhat cyclical. Fifteen years ago non ebony finishes were much more popular than they are today.

Buying a non ebony finish does not indicate the buyer is less of a pianist than one who buys a black piano.

Not true in Sauter ,August Forster, and some others polished ebony is more expensive .
The Walnut finish is cheaper than Polished Ebony.


That’s surprising. I wonder why? Maybe because now it’s the most popular?


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Perhaps the process of applying the polished ebony has improved.Polished ebony does last very well.
The playfull idea that pianists have black pianos probably comes from the Classic vision of a concert pianist playing a black concert grand.(Bösendorfer, Bechstein,Yamaha ,Sauter ,Baldwin, Mason and Hamlin,Steinways, Kawai, Bluthner., take your pick ? )


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