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CA58 vs CN39 #2920539 12/07/19 05:22 AM
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Hi, can you give me your opinion?
Do the wood keys of CA58 make the big difference between the two kawai? Worth it?
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Re: CA58 vs CN39 [Re: Louise11] #2920553 12/07/19 06:58 AM
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I think that for a serious pianist wooden actions are better not because of the wood itself, but because, usually, wooden actions have a longer pivot, so it's more easy to play near the fallboard (some demanding passages in classical music could benefit from this). Of course, you can play well classical music on the RH3 action too.

But the CA58 has also a better piano engine: the HI-XL, instead of the PHI of the CN39. Probably, a beginner would not notice differences in the sound between the two engines, but if you make a direct comparison you can feel that the piano notes coming from the HI-XL engine are a little more detailed (being that it uses longer samples and 1 or 2 more velocity layers). However you have to listen very carefully with good headphones to spot the differences, because Kawai audio engineers are very good in making their samples sound good even with a very low number of velocity layers.

The third difference between the two DPs is related to the speakers. The CA58 has much powerful speakers and it has 2 more tweeters for added clarity. That's not a small thing, especially if you want to play without headphones.

The advantages of the CN39, compared to the CA58, are the new Bluetooth Audio feature, a new piano sound (SK-5), the GM2 compatibility, the great number of internal sounds (355 vs 42!), and of course the lower price. But at the end of the day, probably you will play just with the usual piano sounds (and maybe the organs), so all those added sounds could be not so attractive for you.

Actually in Europe between the two DPs there is a difference about 500 euros. If you are serious about piano learning (or you are already an advanced pianist) and you can afford to spend that extra amount, IMHO they would be well invested money.

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I have not played the CN39, but I do have the CA58, and compared to a Yamaha entry-level action that I played earlier and that was non-wood, I like it a lot better. But that is likely not just because of the wood. I believe there are other important differences between the Responsive Hammer III action of the CN39 and the Grand Feel Compact of the CA58 as well.

I like the action of the CA58 overall, but in my piano there is noticeable variation in let-off resistance between keys.


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Re: CA58 vs CN39 [Re: Louise11] #2920579 12/07/19 08:28 AM
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I have tried side by side the ca48 (with the same GFC key than the ca58) and a cn37 (with the same RH3 Key than the cn39). The difference is huge. The cn37 feel like a toy in compareason (noisy, plastic, bouncy). Perhaps the RH3 is not too bad but no doubt the ca58 worth the price difference.
You should try by yourself.

Re: CA58 vs CN39 [Re: Louise11] #2920700 12/07/19 02:16 PM
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I tried those two side by side too; well, the cn39 I think it was. The action of both was good, the wooden action rather better imo. The dynamic range of the 48 was perhaps what you might expect from an acoustic, but because it wasn't an acoustic, it didn't feel right. The sound, good though it was, lacked authenticity even compared to CN39 which seemed far fuller.
Difficult choice. I'd choose CA48/58 and hope I got used to it quickly . . .I'm fairly sure I would.


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Re: CA58 vs CN39 [Re: Louise11] #2920719 12/07/19 03:27 PM
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Hi Louise,

After having owned eight different 88-note digital pianos, a good action has become my number one priority when it comes to choosing a piano because you may be able to improve your sound through using VST or speakers but you'll be stuck with the action and the only way out is to buy another piano. Buy the piano with the better action if you can.

May I ask where you are located and the prices for these two pianos?

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May I ask where you are located and the prices for these two pianos?[/quote]

CA58 - 1900ā‚¬
CN39 - 1500ā‚¬
Iā€™m from Portugal!

Thank you all, thanks for your help!

Re: CA58 vs CN39 [Re: Louise11] #2921069 12/08/19 06:55 PM
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I tried the CN39 and the CA58 side-by-side in a store. I expected the CA to be superior, because the DP makers are mostly good at reserving some candy for the higher line. But surprisingly I found the key action of the CN39 different but not necessarily worse - andd better than thet of the older RH3 action in the ES8 also nearby.

The bigger CA models did produce better sound (better speakers), but the sound of the CN39 was quite decent, again better than the ES8.

Re: CA58 vs CN39 [Re: Louise11] #2921085 12/08/19 07:47 PM
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Hello Louise,

Originally Posted by Louise11
Do the wood keys of CA58 make the big difference between the two kawai? Worth it?


In my opinion, yes - the CA58's keyboard action is superior to that of the CN39.

Here is a side-by-side comparison of the two instrument's specifications:

https://www.kawai-global.com/product_comparison/detail.php?n=2731,3367&ct=36

Here is a slide from the CA58/CA48 product overview presentation (prepared for dealers) that summarises the main differences between the CN37 and CA58:

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The CN37 was succeeded by the CN39 earlier in the year. The CN39 sound and amplifier/speaker system is superior to the CN37, however the point about the CA58 featuring a superior keyboard action remains the same.

As always, I would recommend that you spent some time play-testing both models, along with similarly-priced instruments from other manufacturers, before making a purchasing decision.

I hope this helps.

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James
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Re: CA58 vs CN39 [Re: Kawai James] #2921176 12/09/19 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Louise,

As always, I would recommend that you spent some time play-testing both models, along with similarly-priced instruments from other manufacturers, before making a purchasing decision.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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Thank you, James šŸ˜Š


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