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Chopin 10/8 —Do I have idiots ffor fingers #2920471 12/06/19 07:03 PM
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Can anyone suggest a practice routine or method to help me feel comfortable with the F major étude Op. 10 Chopin? The accents in the first two arpeggios seem to drag down my fingers and don’t let me feel the flow at a brisk tempo . I have rather fast fingers and feel very comfortable with opus 25 numbers six and 11 ... but this F major étude is so beautiful and I want to make it sound effortless . I parked my music and playing piano for 25 years and since returning have become addicted to Chopin. Thank you for any overall practice tips or online video suggestions

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Re: Chopin 10/8 —Do I have idiots ffor fingers [Re: Coda9] #2920486 12/06/19 08:09 PM
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Try looking at the Cortot exercises and maybe you can find some that will help you. I think you can find them at pianophila.com.

Re: Chopin 10/8 —Do I have idiots ffor fingers [Re: pianoloverus] #2920515 12/06/19 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Try looking at the Cortot exercises and maybe you can find some that will help you. I think you can find them at pianophila.com.


That was going to be my suggestion, too.

If you are not aware of the Cortot exercises for the Chopin Etudes, just be aware that he goes overboard on some of them. For the Op. 10, No. 8, there are 18 different exercises (some with variants within them; exercise 7 has seven different fingerings to work on, on seven different groupings of notes!) and when/if one gets through all of them, Cortot suggests transposing the whole Etude into F-sharp major. I think you would spend more time working on the exercises than you would on learning the Etude itself.

The key, of course, is to be selective in which exercises you choose and how far to push them.

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Re: Chopin 10/8 —Do I have idiots ffor fingers [Re: Coda9] #2920537 12/07/19 05:14 AM
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As for your titular question: No, you don't. You're just playing a Chopin Etude. This is expected behaviour / working as intended(TM) grin


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Re: Chopin 10/8 —Do I have idiots ffor fingers [Re: Coda9] #2920749 12/07/19 05:57 PM
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Thank you for the recommendation of A. Cortot’s edition, yes I’m aware and have consulted his exercises for study of the études — particularly the Op. 10/1, which is totally about arpeggios . Both he and Busoni seem to write out exercises that suit their personal needs and personal theories of technique . After I more patiently looked through Cortot’s varieties of exercises to study Op 10.8, i’m not finding any that address my original query —accented Notes in the opening arpeggios. Are these accented pitches as melodic as those in Op 10/1? Meanwhile I’ve been experimenting with my own exercises working with those accents within the context of the sweeping flow of arpeggios . I don’t mean to be disrespectful or unappreciative of Mr. Cortot, but the exercises he writes out for 10/8 don’t seem to be very relevant to the movements throughout this étude .

Re: Chopin 10/8 —Do I have idiots ffor fingers [Re: Coda9] #2921817 12/11/19 07:40 AM
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Maybe I am crazy here, but the idea of playing exercises to get yourself ready to play the etude seems ludicrous to me. Just spend the time playing the actual piece you want to learn that you would have spent learning the preparatory exercises. They ought to be very similar.

Re: Chopin 10/8 —Do I have idiots ffor fingers [Re: Coda9] #2922480 12/13/19 07:40 AM
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I can't help but notice that your idiot fingers misspelled a word in the title. Slow down.

Re: Chopin 10/8 —Do I have idiots ffor fingers [Re: Damon] #2924833 12/19/19 06:02 PM
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Sorry for the typo but my eyesight is extremely challenged from two eye diseases inherited. You may be amused to imagine my printed scores that are 24 x 36“....!

Re: Chopin 10/8 —Do I have idiots ffor fingers [Re: Coda9] #2926677 12/25/19 09:16 AM
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My advice remains the same. Slow down. Exaggerate the accents. As your fingers grow accustomed, you will naturally play it a little faster over time. Use a metronome to help you resist the urge to play it faster than you can manage. That will also help measure your progress. Triple your time on the hardest arpeggios. Practice moving your arm to help cover the turn on the thumb.


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