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Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Originally Posted by chen
profile toooooooooooo old ,so i need to update hahaha we had produced Ronisch long ago ,just sale for china ,not for export. now i think we dont produced anymore (maybe still have .. dunno ). that's not my business.

Ronisch pianos are really quite expensive and customers have a right to know where they are made!



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Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by chen
profile toooooooooooo old ,so i need to update hahaha we had produced Ronisch long ago ,just sale for china ,not for export. now i think we dont produced anymore (maybe still have .. dunno ). that's not my business.

Ronisch pianos are really quite expensive and customers have a right to know where they are made!



According to Piano Buyer, they are completely made in Germany
https://www.pianobuyer.com/brand/ronisch/


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Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Yes that is what it is SAID????
So why the desperate hurry to remove Ronisch from his
profile ?

Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Yes that is what it is SAID????
So why the desperate hurry to remove Ronisch from his
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Because the poster works for Parsons


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Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Originally Posted by Emery Wang
My tech tried needling some hammers and he said they were so hard he couldn't do it, would have to return with a needling tool that had some sort of lever on it so he could put more force on the hammerhead without damaging the flange.
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Have you found that to be true with stock Kawai hammers yourself?

I watched the first tech who tuned my piano needle some of the hammers. He was chatting with me while he did it and didn't seem to have difficulty. Maybe there are different needling tools that penetrate to different depths.


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Thanks Mark. Did the needling make any improvement in the tone? Was it too bright before? My side needling didn't make any audible difference to me, except on a couple high treble notes that were too loud and pingy. They're ok now.


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Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Originally Posted by Emery Wang
Thanks Mark. Did the needling make any improvement in the tone? Was it too bright before? My side needling didn't make any audible difference to me, except on a couple high treble notes that were too loud and pingy. They're ok now.

Yes the needling made a noticeable improvement. They were too bright before, it was one of the things I had on my list for him to work on and I was happy with the improvement. It is still brighter than I would like, but my piano is in my office, which is only about 14'x14', so that adds to the problem. I don't think he needled the sides, at least from my vantage point it appeared that he was only pressing the tool into the surface of the hammer that strikes the strings.


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When did Parsons make Ronisch pianos?

Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Hmm, interesting you found your Kawai to be bright. Mine has always been pretty mellow, like most Kawais I've played. There are a couple new Shigerus at my dealer, and boy do they have a warm mellow tone. Whatever Kawai does to make that sound, I like it! My only improvement would be a little more power in the bass, even on those new Shigerus. I'm going to experiment with custom bass strings on my piano to see how that affects things. But, that will be for another thread smile


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
When did Parsons make Ronisch pianos?


I’m not implying that Parsons ever made them. The OP was somehow previously associated with Ronish and now for Parsons.


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Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
When did Parsons make Ronisch pianos?


I’m not implying that Parsons ever made them. The OP was somehow previously associated with Ronish and now for Parsons.


How would you know ?

Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
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When did Parsons make Ronisch pianos?


I’m not implying that Parsons ever made them. The OP was somehow previously associated with Ronish and now for Parsons.


How would you know ?


It would be better for you to get the answer from him so I do not provide incorrect information. He can also answer any follow up questions.


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Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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I am sorry about being a pain Emery! .I hope you do get the correct information about exchanging hammers for the KG model Kawai you are interested in. You mentioned getting Abel select hammers.Would these be the closest alternative to new Kawai hammers?

Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Hi Lady Bird. I do believe Abel hammers are closest to Kawai stock. However, the KG3-C I looked at was a little too far gone. Now I'm on a different wild goose chase, though one I've considered before: putting custom bass strings on my GL10. Since I love everything about my GL10 except for the depth of the bass, if I can get just that extra oomph with better strings, I may opt to keep my baby after all. Nothing makes one appreciate a new piano more than inspecting some old ones. There's something quite appealing about the perfect smoothness and solidity of a new piano that I'm really coming to value.

The guy at JD Grandt thinks their bass strings would make quite a difference, so I plan to put in my order next week.

Keep your fingers crossed for me (that the strings make a difference, and that I don't screw up the restringing)!


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Re: How do Kawais sound so mellow with hard hammers?
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Well I shall keep my fingers crossed for extra "oomph" in the bass.
I can understand how you feel about your G10 because the tone
of that small grand is really nice even though not a large tone.
I hope it goes well and that you get good advice here.

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Originally Posted by Emery Wang
Hmm, interesting you found your Kawai to be bright.

This was for notes in the C5-C6 area if played loud. Maybe shrill would be a better word than bright.


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Originally Posted by Emery Wang
The guy at JD Grandt thinks their bass strings would make quite a difference, so I plan to put in my order next week.

I'm very interested to see if this helps, that would be a nice improvement.


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