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Re: Moving Old Piano from Canada to USA
Retsacnal #2800415 01/10/19 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
I want to applaud the OP for doing this for his wife. Some of us know from experience that wives aren't always here forever. Doing something special for your spouse is commendable.


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Karl Peterson #2800515 01/10/19 12:46 PM
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Thank you all for the replies.

I have a few options now, and it'll take me a little bit to sort through the relative pros/cons.

(a) - I could have it freighted within Canada to the East Coast, and drive up from ATL and try and bring it across myself. That would, conceivably, be a 3 day trip and I might could swing that.

(b) - I could have the keys removed, freight the Piano itself via normal means (easy to do) and then get a customs broker to handle moving the keys via a simple parcel, have them inspected, etc.

(c) - Being that this is a "household" item and seeing as the piano is >100 years old, I can technically just bring it in to the US however I want. There are benefits for doing it more formally, particularly if I later want to export it again, but setting those aside the US side is OK. That just leaves me with needing a CITES export permit from Canada - I could acquire such a permit but otherwise not make a big deal out of it. It likely won't be looked at on the export side, and even if it is worst case basis is that it gets impounded and I deal with whatever that process is. But better chance it just breezes through the Canadian side, and the US side I'm fine as it's technically a household move.

(d) - I could have the key tops replaced, throw it on a truck and move on with life.


I'm not 100% opposed to option (a) - but I honestly think it gives me a larger avenue for problems than if I have it move across the boarder in a truck or container in normal flow of traffic. Particularly if it is crated and otherwise looks good - I think the chance of an agent deciding to make a deal out of it is much lower.

I'm concerned that option (b) could be construed as a "modification" to the instrument, and thus while I like it's simplicity, I probably won't go that direction.

Option (c) is looking more promising the longer I think about it. No matter what I do I run some risk of an impounding, but it's likely less than I am making it out to be. I'm going to find a small customs broker and see what they think.

Option (d) is a last resort. The key tops have some lovely patina, we'd like to preserve it.

Again - Thanks for all the help. If anyone has a good contact for the customs broker let me know.

Thanks - K

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Originally Posted by Karl Peterson
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This piano has been in my wife's family for many years, although none of them want it now. My wife loves it dearly, and I am trying to figure out how to get it here both as a present for her, and to preserve some of her families heritage.

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Your admirable wish to do this primarily to please your wife notwithstanding, after considering the options and the difficulties they all incur, is this piano really worth all that time, effort (and money)?

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Karl Peterson #2800562 01/10/19 03:15 PM
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Perhaps call "Tylor" from Richmond CDS, he's specializing in these types moves:
1-604-279-0960 # 393
I know you may find this piano valuable [sentimentally] but be advised that it will have otherwise no commercial value,
hope others have told you same..
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Re: Moving Old Piano from Canada to USA
Karl Peterson #2919591 12/04/19 06:56 AM
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That's a really sweet thing to be doing. I've used a mover that handles pianos & organs called A-1 Auto Transport, Inc. and they were great. I know they move between Canada & the US as far as standard moving services and they had no problems with shipping across the country without any damage, problems, delays, etc. They might be worth feeling out. They're on the affordable side too.

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I have no suggestions but did want to applaud the OP for the incredibly sweet gesture to keep his wife’s family piano and successfully move it to the US.


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Do not crate it and do not try to send the ivory keys separately. Just have the keys replaced with plastic and have a shipper bring across the border and deposit it with a dealer who receives pianos via Keyboard Carriage or Walter. No one is going to do this for cheap. The dealer will want money for receiving and shipping and there will be at least three moves involved. This will still save money because they can deliver it to an Atlanta dealer who may be willing to receive it and redeliver to your home. Be prepared to have three different moving invoices. Removing the ivory situation is really important. It does not matter what anyone tells you at Fish and Wildlife. The agent that looks at it at the border will have the last say on this. This has been a mess since 2014 and also you have to have it come in the right port even to get an inspection that counts.


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Re: Moving Old Piano from Canada to USA
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Originally Posted by S. Phillips
Do not crate it and do not try to send the ivory keys separately. Just have the keys replaced with plastic and have a shipper bring across the border and deposit it with a dealer who receives pianos via Keyboard Carriage or Walter. No one is going to do this for cheap. The dealer will want money for receiving and shipping and there will be at least three moves involved. This will still save money because they can deliver it to an Atlanta dealer who may be willing to receive it and redeliver to your home. Be prepared to have three different moving invoices. Removing the ivory situation is really important. It does not matter what anyone tells you at Fish and Wildlife. The agent that looks at it at the border will have the last say on this. This has been a mess since 2014 and also you have to have it come in the right port even to get an inspection that counts.


With this highly informed opinion, given the potential considerable expense with replacing the ivory keys and the multiple moves, is it really worth the trouble to move this piano to the US? Ms Phillips says not to crate the piano, but I believe that you reported that it has already been crated. You have no doubt researched this, but I thought I read that ivory that has been certified to be older than X years can be imported to the US. Do you know if this is true and if it applies to your wife's piano?

Quite a dilemma at this point, I would think.

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Karl Peterson #2919767 12/04/19 03:53 PM
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The original post was from almost a year ago. I wonder what happened?


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It sounds like this 100 year old piano was still playable.
I wonder how long ago his wife played it ? If after this move
it would still be capable of being OK musically, would
be interesting to know.
If however the piano had been in his wife's family a long time
I can understand the importance for the move.,I hope it all
turned out well.

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The original post was from almost a year ago. I wonder what happened?


We probably will never know, since the OP stopped posting after his contributions to this thread.

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Re: Moving Old Piano from Canada to USA
Karl Peterson #2919875 12/04/19 08:47 PM
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We spent a year getting export and import paperwork in order to import our piano using the same shipper who moved our household goods (and who would have preferred to pack the piano with them and be done with it). In the end, FWS pondered a few weeks, asked a few questions about the piano (19c), then threw up their hands and said "get it out of our warehouse. We never saw it, we don't know anything about it, we are not giving you any paperwork, just come fetch it and leave us alone."

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Karl Peterson #3030923 10/01/20 11:17 AM
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Never say that OP doesn't deliver smile

The tale is long - but the piano is on my dock in the USA

We did everything by the book, so much as it exists for this type of thing.

There was a combination of overlapping treaties and exemptions we cited. At one point the UN agreed with our interpretation, which simplified everything after that point.

No modifications have been done to the piano. It is still as it was built.

The actual move was accomplished by having the crated piano shipping LTL across the border with the correct paperwork.

It moved without incident with less than 20 minutes in customs, according to the customs broker.

Took almost 20 months, giving it attention every few weeks. The energy cost was substantial, but the monetary cost ended up being on the low end of my initial guesstimate.

Like any complex endeavor - endurance was the biggest obstacle.

Thanks for the initial thoughts - getting some overview ended up being useful in charting my course.

-K

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I love these stories about one man conquering the system, in this case the system in 2 countries. If your wife ever gets on you about forgetting to take out the garbage, you can use this as a get out of jail free card for a long time.


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