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WNG hammers? #2918785 12/01/19 09:34 PM
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I've seen a lot of posts about WNG carbon fiber shanks, but can't find anything about their hammers. Has anyone used WNG hammers? What are your impressions? Do you know who makes them?

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Re: WNG hammers? [Re: Emery Wang] #2918792 12/01/19 09:55 PM
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Are they Abel?

WNG say their hammers are used on all new M&H pianos.

I remember someone from M&H saying they use Abel Natural Felt. Maybe they've changed though...

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I have not been impressed enough with the hammers used on newer M&H's to even care who makes them. The felt is too dense and heavy. I do love the W,N&G shanks, capstans, and backchecks.


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Re: WNG hammers? [Re: Emery Wang] #2918810 12/01/19 10:43 PM
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So I think Johnstaf may be right. WNG sells "Select" and "Natural" hammers, and says the "Select" are what go on all the M&H grands. Also Select are harder than the naturals.

Assuming the WNG naturals are actually Abel Naturals, do you like those better, Ed?

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My piano technician is the M&H dealer in our area. He told me that the new M&H pianos with the WNG action have an Abel hammer in them, and if I recall correctly, they use a couple of different Abel hammers in the pianos.

Re: WNG hammers? [Re: Emery Wang] #2918844 12/02/19 12:19 AM
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Thanks guys. After reading some other posts about WNG/M&H hammers on PW, I'm pretty sure they use Abel hammers. The comments on PW that seem to come up most often on the Abels are that they are very hard and need to be voiced down. Instead many are recommending Ronson hammers or Isaac Cadenza hammers if you don't want something too bright out of the box.

However, Kawai uses pretty hard hammers, yet Kawais (mine included) often have a dark, mellow, rounded sound that is definitely not bright. Any ideas how they do that? Will outfitting Kawais with harder hammers like Abels still yield the mellow Kawai sound?

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Its been a while since I've used WNG hammers, but when I did they were stamped Abel on the sides of a couple of the hammers just like the Abel hammers I get from Pianotek. I don't use their regular hammers, but I like the naturals.


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I’ve used both the WNG Selects and Naturals. They are Abel hammers. Mason & Hamlin have recently switched from the Selects to the Naturals for new M&H pianos.

Personally I’ve been more impressed with the Select hammers. They do need to be needled down but I followed Oorebeek’s advice and the results were literally spectacular—excellent sustain, rich tone, a ‘ping’, and in such a pretty way that you can tolerate the piano being brighter than you might with other hammers. The two Natural sets I’ve installed sounded good, and they require a lot less needling, but I don’t think they have the magic of the Selects. As I understand it, M&H started using the Naturals more recently because dealers liked less needling.

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@jsilva

What would be the typical number of stitches using naturals?

I've read that some people only do a few preliminary stabs.

Oorebeek needs to do a lot of needling on the hammers he uses in his video!

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In my experience the lowest bass hammers, and possibly the highest, of the Naturals tend to actually need some hardening. Most of the needling was in the 4-6 octave range, primarily around octave 5. Maybe 8 stitches? Less or more depending on the hammer.

The Selects needed a lot more needling, but I find Oorebeek’s technique to be relatively easy so I don’t mind the extra stitches. In some ways it could be seen as more forgiving because it’s harder to over-needle! smile I used to insert needles more slowly into the hammer and that can be extremely difficult on hard hammers. But pounding them with the voicing tool is a cinch.

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Thanks jsilva! I appreciate it.


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