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Hello. I have been playing for four months now on my toy piano and am saving up to buy a digital piano in the 400-500 dollar US range(probably in March or April). I am budget limited due to being on a disability pension.

I have looked into the usual suspects(P45, B2, FP-10, and PX-160) and to be honest they all sound and look good to me. Since I am on a tight budget, I want the one that is the most durable or has the best factory warranty/service as I want this to be the last digital piano I ever buy. I am mainly looking at new models as I want one that has a warranty, but haven't ruled out a used or floor model that is in great shape.

I have time to figure out which to buy, but would love some input on what your recommendations are between these options given my concerns for buying an inexpensive digital piano for the long haul.

Thanks in advance,
Kelly


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Surely second hand would be way to go - if you ignore your warranty
I had a Clavinova about 20 years ago, and it is still going strong after I sold it to a friend

There are some great deals on ebay, where people are upgrading to latest and greatest - good luck smile


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They're all reputable brands. If serviceability is a high priority, then you mat want to check into the location of each brand's nearest service center, so that in the event something DOES need service, you may only have a reasonable drive instead of the time and expense of shipping it somewhere for warranty work.

But rather than the PX-160, if you want a Casio, I'd be inclined to look at one of the newer models that are no pricier... CDP-S100, CDP-S350,

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Yamaha are by far the most popular; the P45 has the lightest keyboard which would be likely better if your fingers are struggling a tad. But of those three you mention, I'd reckon them all to be sound bets for the future. Yamahas will usually be easier to service due to their popularity, but that could depend on your location.
You'd also need a stand, and maybe a decent usable pedal; it's doubtful you'll get one with the models described.

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Originally Posted by Tmax100
Surely second hand would be way to go - if you ignore your warranty
I had a Clavinova about 20 years ago, and it is still going strong after I sold it to a friend

There are some great deals on ebay, where people are upgrading to latest and greatest - good luck smile


I agree with this.
$500 is too little for a new digital. As digitals depreciate faster than cars do, the used market is a great place to buy digital pianos. However, you will need to do your research.

Here is how I would go about it:
Go on ebay and go to the advanced filter. Select sold listing, and enter your budget range and type digital pianos as the key words. This will show you what sort of pianos you can get at that price in the used market.


My advice is to focus on models upto 4years old and no older. If you want opinions on these, post again.

Of the new ones you listed, IMO, only the Roland FP10 has a reasonable action.

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If you want great service, do you have a nearby brick and mortar dealer? If so, do you have confidence that they're service-oriented, and will remain in business during the next few years? That may be the best bet, all else being equal-- the ability to just drop it off locally if a problem arises and letting them resolve it for you.

$600-700 USD will get you to the newer, better entry level models of the makers you mentioned, such as the Casio Privia PX S1000, Yamaha P125, Roland FP-10 or FP-30, Kawai ES110...often in some sort of package with a cheap stand, bench, and pedal (if the stock one is just a foot switch).


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I don't see how a store is relevant. In the US the store doesn't provide service.
All you need for service (whether in- or out-of-warranty) is the name of a factory-trained service company.
For warranty repairs you'll also need your sales invoice.

I had two warranty claims and one out-of-warranty repair. The dealer played no role in any of that.
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If you want great service, do you have a nearby brick and mortar dealer? If so, do you have confidence that they're service-oriented, and will remain in business during the next few years? That may be the best bet, all else being equal-- the ability to just drop it off locally if a problem arises and letting them resolve it for you.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
In the US the store doesn't provide service.

There are some that provide service, for example Sweetwater.
That's one reason I try to buy everything from them.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
In the US the store doesn't provide service.

There are some that provide service, for example Sweetwater.
That's one reason I try to buy everything from them.

My dealer claims they will provide service for my N1X. I have not yet tested that claim.


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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
If you want great service, do you have a nearby brick and mortar dealer?

My dealer is about 3,500 kms away, (though there are a few places that are closer) but the service to date has been outstanding, even when I had an issue with a faulty part right from the get-go.

I live way out in no-man's land, nowhere near any music store of any kind. A trip to the absolute closest dealer and back would be, at the very least, a 36-hour ordeal... (including two ferry crossings) assuming that there were good driving conditions at the time, and no long ferry lineups, and no ferry cancellations. (from high winds/high seas, heavy pack ice, breakdowns, etc) Just one of the "joys" of living on a remote island off of another island!

Anyway, here's hoping that I will never have an issue with my DP which would require me to dismantle it, re-pack it back into the box it came in, and ship it back!!

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Hi Mac,

Sorry, you’re (at least partially) wrong.
If my ES8 breaks (it hasn’t), I could go through the repair channel you mentioned, or I could simply drop it off to the brick and mortar, authorized dealer where I bought it, and they would facilitate everything. I can think of at least 3 digital piano dealers in Georgia who operate with this level of service. That matters to some folks, even if it doesn’t to you.


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Yes, if your dealer is closer than your nearest suthorized service center, it could be convenient to have them handle any problems for you, if they offer that service.

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Originally Posted by Tmax100
Surely second hand would be way to go - if you ignore your warranty
I had a Clavinova about 20 years ago, and it is still going strong after I sold it to a friend

There are some great deals on ebay, where people are upgrading to latest and greatest - good luck smile


I agree with this.
$500 is too little for a new digital. As digitals depreciate faster than cars do, the used market is a great place to buy digital pianos. However, you will need to do your research.

Here is how I would go about it:
Go on ebay and go to the advanced filter. Select sold listing, and enter your budget range and type digital pianos as the key words. This will show you what sort of pianos you can get at that price in the used market.


My advice is to focus on models upto 4years old and no older. If you want opinions on these, post again.

Of the new ones you listed, IMO, only the Roland FP10 has a reasonable action.

Kind regards,

Doug.


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It's not that it doesn't matter to me. Rather, it's not possible. My dealer doesn't provide service.
This is not unusual ... and it may account for the independent repair shops.
Note that my experience has been with Yamaha. Kawai might be quite different.
Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Sorry, you’re (at least partially) wrong.
If my ES8 breaks (it hasn’t), I could go through the repair channel you mentioned, or I could simply drop it off to the brick and mortar, authorized dealer where I bought it, and they would facilitate everything. I can think of at least 3 digital piano dealers in Georgia who operate with this level of service. That matters to some folks, even if it doesn’t to you.


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I will disagree with the comment regarding buying from a brick and mortar store regarding service.

I bought a Roland R2000 after it was introduced and had a keyboard action issue. I contacted Roland in Belgium, I live in the Netherlands, and they advised me to return it to the store. The store hand carried it to the service center for me and I had it back a few weeks or so later.

Having a local store who knows you and knows your buying history never hurts.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
It's not that it doesn't matter to me. Rather, it's not possible. My dealer doesn't provide service.
This is not unusual ... and it may account for the independent repair shops.
Note that my experience has been with Yamaha. Kawai might be quite different.
Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Sorry, you’re (at least partially) wrong.
If my ES8 breaks (it hasn’t), I could go through the repair channel you mentioned, or I could simply drop it off to the brick and mortar, authorized dealer where I bought it, and they would facilitate everything. I can think of at least 3 digital piano dealers in Georgia who operate with this level of service. That matters to some folks, even if it doesn’t to you.


This may actually be a dealer option - to provide service or not. Perhaps they agree on this with the manufacturer if they will be providing service or not. Because as mentioned, my dealer for Yamaha in the DC area is quite insistent they will be providing the service for my N1X, when it needs it, and not Yamaha. They also said they have a particular technician who is a piano technician that is certified on Avantgrands. I'm guessing they charge back to Yamaha for providing warranty support out of their store.


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Thanks for all the input everyone.

I will consider a used instrument more strongly as long as it is a model that can still be serviced if there is a problem. I do agree with the statement that I should look at newer models as there does appear to have been improvements in key action and polyphony lately.

Due to my limited income, even 500 dollars is a stretch for me financially. I know more money means a better instrument, but it just isn't in the cards for me. Even without that restriction, my conscience would make me question spending more than the cost of a new FP-10 for a marginally better instrument. I have other things to spend money on like my child and my other hobbies. A less expensive instrument would also be in my hands sooner than an expensive one. I already made compromises to be able to continue to progress to more difficult lessons and won't be able to continue my development without getting an instrument that has more than three octaves. The only other piano I will ever need to play on is the one at my maw's nursing home so I don't think it matters if I get an identical feel out of my digital as a Steinway. Sorry/not sorry, but that is my perspective.

I looked into warranty lengths and apparently the Roland has the best one for a new instrument at 3 years duration. If I do end up getting a new instrument, it will be this brand.


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