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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: bennevis] #2886734 09/04/19 01:46 AM
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If you have a decent camera, you can sync the video from it to the sound from your recorder in your computer. I've been doing that with my videos.


That is exactly the hassle im trying to avoid by buying a decent audio/video recorder. grin

The optimum distances - and positions - for video recording and sound recording are different.

Separate mics are a much bigger hassle (and cost)......


True.

This is why im considering returning the Q2n-4k and get a Q8 with mic inputs instead. But reviews say the Q8 cuts up your recordings as 17 minutes/4gb files, and you have to blend these files together as one using some separate (not supplied) software. I don't like that, or.. do you think that could be a fairly quick and easy process? If not i might as well record video and audio separately and sync it, which i see as the same type of hassle that should not be necessary.

Maybe better to use this for now and wait for a new version of the Q8..

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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2886837 09/04/19 08:55 AM
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Are you aware that Q8 has fixed very wide angle lens (no zoom)?


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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: RogerRL] #2887011 09/04/19 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RogerRL
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For this reason I strongly recommend a small card if you plan to turn the device on/off all of the time. It may be meaningless to you if you turn it on, then set up external mics, on and on, But if you envision having it at the piano desk and quickly turning it on to catch an improv or something, fugetaboutit with the larger cards.

Small cards are cheap, so maybe have a small one, 1-2 GB, and then a larger one for extended recording. And keep the # of files on the card as small as you can get away with.


Or, use the AC power adapter, and turn the recorder on (but don't start recording) when you start a practice session, or leave it on all the time. Its power consumption is miniscule.

One Gbyte (according my calculation above) gives you an hour of recording. That should be enough, for most people and most music.


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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2887112 09/05/19 04:29 AM
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I use a Zoom H4n with a Boss pedal to record small snippets of practice for immediate playback, something I talked about here before - I can find the thread if anyone is interested. It's a way of getting feedback quickly by just tapping the pedal. The Zoom does have a wired remote that you can plug in too.

The attraction of something like the Zoom is that it is portable and easy to use - no external mics to set up. On the other hand, it does have connections for mics so you can do that too.

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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2919202 12/02/19 08:15 PM
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Ok, I'm finally (almost) ready to make a purchase.

I'm still leaning toward getting the Zoom H4n, but I just wanted to see if anyone has any other recorders/brands to recommend. I'm also not keen to get a video recorder, just audio is fine.

I'm sort of stuck on the fact that it seems like the Zoom H4n hasn't been updated in maybe 4 years (?) and I'm wondering if there's going to suddenly be a new product out.

BTW the PianoBuyer article about portable audio recorders was posted a few months ago (but the Zoom H4n wasn't reviewed, on the H2). I suppose I could consider the H2, but I originally owned a Zoom H4 (the 2004/2006 model) so that's where my preference lies.

Anyway, if anyone has anything addition to add, about the Zoom or any other portable recorder, please share!


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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2919205 12/02/19 08:20 PM
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I think the Tascam DR100-MKIII is an amazing audio recorder:

https://tascam.com/us/product/dr-100mkiii/top

I own one and have been blown away by the quality.

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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2919211 12/02/19 08:28 PM
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Hmmm that looks to be about $100 over my budget... frown

Thanks anyway, it’s good to have more options!!


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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2919214 12/02/19 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro

I'm sort of stuck on the fact that it seems like the Zoom H4n hasn't been updated in maybe 4 years (?) and I'm wondering if there's going to suddenly be a new product out.
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Isn't the H4n Pro the updated version?

At Zoom we’re always developing new ideas to improve the performance and function of our Handy Recorders. With the H4n Pro, we've taken everything creators love about the H4n and brought it to the next level.

The H4n Pro isn't just improved, it's superior in every way. With advanced X/Y microphones, incredibly natural-sounding preamps, and a super-low noise floor, you can record everything from the Indy 500 to the fluttering of a hummingbird with extraordinary realism.

Welcome to the new gold standard in field recording.


My H4n (bought in 2014) doesn't look the same. According to the blurb, the Pro was released in 2016.


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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2919226 12/02/19 09:30 PM
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Ah, you’re right, the pro was new in 2016 — still, that’s 3 years ago now.

But so far the H4n pro still looks to be the best choice...


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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2919230 12/02/19 09:45 PM
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If you are not going to use external microphones, maybe the H1n would be a better choice (and half the price). I have the H4n and have never plugged an external mic into it. Is that the only real difference between them?

One thing I do use with the H4n is the remote. Which is not really a remote, since it connects with a wire. It's a little keypad. But I put the recorder on a tripod with the h4n upside down pointing into the piano so the wired remote makes it easier to push record from the piano bench. It would be nice if it had a real wireless remote. The H1n doesn't seem to have a remote.

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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2919237 12/02/19 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Hmmm that looks to be about $100 over my budget... frown

Thanks anyway, it’s good to have more options!!


Perhaps you can find a used one on eBay. It has been out a while.


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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2919353 12/03/19 10:01 AM
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Sam, I just read a billion comparison articles, and I believe that there is some difference in the built-in mics when you get to the level of the Zoom H4n, so I don't think the H1 is recommended for musicians. There is an H2 that might be good for someone who's never going to connect external mics.

I think I'm going to go with the H4n though, based on everything I've read and based on my familiarity with it.

Larry, I'm not keen to purchase through eBay or purchased a used one, but thanks for the suggestion!


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Check this review:

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/zoom-h4n

which is for the non-Pro (previous) version.

For the Pro:

https://www.toptenreviews.com/digital-voice-recorders-zoom-h4n-review

and the Sweetwater (unverified, unfortunately) reviews:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/H4NPro--zoom-h4n-pro-handy-recorder/reviews

Unless you want to do something really special, and need a feature it doesn't have:

. . . You know what it's based on already, the H4n Pro is better,
. . . . it seems to do what you need to do,
. . . . and it's unlikely to disappoint you.

If Zoom comes out with an H4n Pro Plus -- so what ? You can wait forever for the next incremental move in marketing and technology, and the one after that. . .

I'm not arguing that it's better than all alternatives, just that it's good enough, with a fair price for what it offers.

(As a happy H4 (first-generation) owner, I admit to bias. Just don't leave the batteries in, to leak and corrode their contacts, like I did!)


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Re: Which Zoom recorder (or non-Zoom recorder) to buy? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2920269 12/05/19 05:21 PM
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Done! Ordered a Zoom H4n Pro! Yay! smile


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