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Kawai CN29? Buying a new dig. piano!
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Hey everyone!
Long story short, in a position to get Kawai CN29 for 1200€ right now, was wondering what everyones opinion is on this model and whether there's a better model for this price range.

Pros in my eyes:
- Brand new model
- improved stereo sampling, progressive harmonic imaging, counterweights, lcd settings panel and lots of other pretty cool features for this price range.

I've done a lot of research, however I am a complete piano beginner (under 2 months of practice) so any insightful tip regarding best purchase would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

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DanteNero #2919072 12/02/19 02:32 PM
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In that price range there are even some very nice Casio cabinet-style piano (a Casio AP-470 costs just 859 euros and is similar to the CN29), but I don't know if Casio keyboard actions are worse or better than the much appreciated Kawai RH3. Maybe some other users here can give you some good suggestions.

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This thread talked about the CN29 and 39 when they were introduced.
There are many digitals in that price range. Since you haven´t played very long, you probably don´t have a strong preference as far as touch. So as long as you like how it feels and sounds, anything from a major manufacturer is probably going to be fine.


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Hey Mark, already siffed through that post, it doesn't really touch on the experience of the piano itself much nor does someone offer a concrete alternative at the given pricepoint. Regardless, thanks for the suggestion.

It's true, I don't have a touch preference (although I do, ofcourse, seek best possible quality below wood which is apparently in the 2000$+ price range), however I do have a preference for new models with crisper sound adjustments, higher quality speakers, bluetooth connectivity and decent quality settings menu!

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The CN29 would be a very good choice.


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Originally Posted by DanteNero
[...]It's true, I don't have a touch preference (although I do, ofcourse, seek best possible quality below wood which is apparently in the 2000$+ price range), however I do have a preference for new models with crisper sound adjustments, higher quality speakers, bluetooth connectivity and decent quality settings menu!


IMHO there are no "high quality internal speakers" in that price range. If you want good audio quality prepare to buy (unless you already have them) some good external speakers (2-300 euros), or some good headphones (80-100 euros).

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Just be careful with Kawai's RH3 action, there seems to be a lot complaints about them developing noisy "clicking" keys (research it). If you can stretch, I'd take a look at the Yamaha P515 as the complaints for that piano are few and far between in terms of reliability.

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Originally Posted by DanteNero
Hey everyone!
Long story short, in a position to get Kawai CN29 for 1200€ right now, was wondering what everyones opinion is on this model and whether there's a better model for this price range.


I don't have an awful lot of experience but have been picking a slab lately. I think the CN29 is very nice. I've tried it next to an ES8, which is a quite well-regarded a few years older slab version which I liked a lot, and the CN29 both feels and sounds a touch better. And despite being lower-range than three CA models next to it, the CN29/39 didn't feel inferior, actually I didn't find their keys any better. Higher models obviously have better amps and speakers, but I assume one can plug in even better external monitors.

Personally I think the Casio and Yamaha key actions in this range don't compare particularly well (they do have nice keys in GP/AvantGrand series), while I liked the Roland PHA-50-based models as well.

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Originally Posted by Inrai
Just be careful with Kawai's RH3 action, there seems to be a lot complaints about them developing noisy "clicking" keys (research it). If you can stretch, I'd take a look at the Yamaha P515 as the complaints for that piano are few and far between in terms of reliability.


I have owned a half-dozen Kawai digital pianos and have never encountered any issues with "clicking".

That does not mean it does not happen.

But I think characterizing it as "a lot of complaints" is a bit unfair.


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Of all the digitals in all the shops I've been in, the CN29 (27, 25) would score pretty much tops overall with me. The CN37, 39 seem to have over boomy sound, as do some of the CA models as well as expensive stuff from Roland and Yamaha.
I've always found the cheaper models to be more pleasant all round than those of an expensive nature. The keyboards, too, can be nicer.
I reckon you'd be well pleased with the 29.


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thanks folks, you da real mvp's! laugh

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Originally Posted by dmd
The CN29 would be a very good choice.



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Hello DanteNero, welcome to the forum.

I expect you're already aware of this from your research, however the main competitors to the CN29 are the Yamaha CLP-625, Roland RP501, and Casio AP-470. There's a nice comparison of the CN29 and CLP-625 by UK store Bonners Music on YouTube.

Whether one model is necessarily better than the others is not really for me to say. I'd simply recommend that you play all of the pianos that are within your budget, and buy the instrument that you enjoy playing the most.

Best of luck!

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Originally Posted by Inrai
Just be careful with Kawai's RH3 action, there seems to be a lot complaints about them developing noisy "clicking" keys (research it). If you can stretch, I'd take a look at the Yamaha P515 as the complaints for that piano are few and far between in terms of reliability.


Anecdotally I found the NWX action noisy and unpleasant compared to RH3 smile


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