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I have just checked a recording of me playing Debussy´s Arabesque no.1 and I would have never said how often I play close to the fallboard. I won't say it is the standard position, because it is not. But if harmony is complex enough you find yourself quite often playing black keys with 4th and 5th digits, which forces to move your hand towards the fallboard. In a grand piano there is nothing wrong, keys are long enough (beyond the fallboard) and the hammers are far. In digitals well, it seems that it depends on the length of the pivot. My guess is if you are used to short pivot and you are happy with it, your fingers will deal with it and feel comfortable.

Anyone who is playing "at" the fallboard is going about this whole piano playing thing all wrong.

In my case, I think I will remove Casio´s from my list or, at least, I will try them beforehand.

Or haven't come across repertoire where it's unavoidable.

What has this got to do with Casio BTW?

Sure, we all get that there are times when we are forced to play more toward the fallboard. ("toward", not "at") I am doubtful that Casio's Privia line is any harder to play closer to the fallboard than most any other DP is. Anyone who is playing "at" the fallboard is going about this whole piano playing thing all wrong.

For some it's apparently more unavoidable than others.

Meow!

The whole "OMG TEH CASIO PIVOT!!!" nonsense around here is tiresome, especially when it's no worse (and possibly a bit better than) Yamaha, but hardly anyone ever mentions that ... As far as I can tell, it's mostly based on one pseudo-scientific post here comparing actions, and not on any official specs, much less the personal experience of half the people complaining about it.

As DrGradus states above, "you find yourself quite often playing black keys with 4th and 5th digits, which forces to move your hand towards the fallboard". "Towards" the fallboard, not "at".

Ahhh, that explains it. Maybe we need to set up some blind tests, like the Strad vs modern violin tests. It would be interesting to see the results.

To be fair, I never meant to say playing right at the fallboard, I doubt there is any reason to do so. I play as close to the opposite edge as I can (it adds more sensibility for dynamics), but some works makes you move towards the fallboard. In these situations I'd say I am often around halfway between key edge and the fallboard, but never beyond 2/3 of the key length. That's my personal technique and, of course, some people may play differently.

Privia vs Steinway blind test?

The whole "OMG TEH CASIO PIVOT!!!" nonsense around here is tiresome, especially when it's no worse (and possibly a bit better than) Yamaha, but hardly anyone ever mentions that ... As far as I can tell, it's mostly based on one pseudo-scientific post here comparing actions, and not on any official specs, much less the personal experience of half the people complaining about it.

... all models from both Casio and Yamaha have crap pivot length until you get well above $2,000 - Clavinova CLP-675 and Celviano GP-310. Serious pianists wouldn't consider any models under those.

Well that's interesting... because I bought my DP for well under $2,000... and I consider myself a "serious pianist". (ARCT)

Note that I specified only Casio and Yamaha.
And also note that is for a new piano. Obviously you can pick up a great second hand / demo model Casio or Yamaha for less than $2,000.

What model did you buy?

Correct - all models from both Casio and Yamaha have crap pivot length until you get well above $2,000 - Clavinova CLP-675 and Celviano GP-310. Serious pianists wouldn't consider any models under those.

Nothing personal, but that is *exactly* the attitude I dislike. (In plummy Thurston Howell III accent) "No serious pi-AH-nist would be caught DEAD playing such a monstrosity..." But then no serious pi-AH-nist would be caught dead playing ANY DP, including a $10,000 piano-shaped-object either, would they? *cough cough Avant Grand cough cough* See how that can turn out? I'm as serious as the average non-professional here and I do fine on the budget Casio. Is it perfect? No. None of them are.

I agree, you'd need the N3X for $16,000 (+ tax)...duh!

Why are people with short pivots so neurotic about what other people think?