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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Fluxo] #2915498 11/23/19 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Flux
Now, please, folks, answer me this: if piano sonorities cannot be properly put into words (something that I entirely agree with), what happens when people try to "describe" music "with words" or treat it as if it was something that can be freely translated to coloquial conversation? That has always haunted me. I start scratching my head everytime one asks me things like this: "What composer X wanted to 'say' with this piece"... Poetry is an art. Music is another. They can be beautifully mixed. But I believe they should never confused or taken one for the other...

Just my 0,2 cents...


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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915500 11/23/19 02:30 PM
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Bell like singing treble, but not too bright. Pearl like high treble. A complex tone, but not too complex. Good sustain. Powerful, rounded and resonant bass tone, but not harsh. Even tone progression between scale breaks.

Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: johnstaf] #2915501 11/23/19 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by Flux
Now, please, folks, answer me this: if piano sonorities cannot be properly put into words (something that I entirely agree with), what happens when people try to "describe" music "with words" or treat it as if it was something that can be freely translated to coloquial conversation? That has always haunted me. I start scratching my head everytime one asks me things like this: "What composer X wanted to 'say' with this piece"... Poetry is an art. Music is another. They can be beautifully mixed. But I believe they should never confused or taken one for the other...

Just my 0,2 cents...


Truth.


I agree, as well. I was told this story in college lit class but I cannot confirm the veracity. As the story goes, Joyce Kilmer, the author of the poem ‘tree’ was sitting Anonymously in a symposium where his poem was being analyzed. The Analysis, which referenced the author’s intent, was quite mystical.

At the end, Kilmer’s remark was “sometimes a tree is just a tree”.


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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: dogperson] #2915505 11/23/19 02:39 PM
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Now, please, folks, answer me this: if piano sonorities cannot be properly put into words (something that I entirely agree with), what happens when people try to "describe" music "with words" or treat it as if it was something that can be freely translated to coloquial conversation? That has always haunted me. I start scratching my head everytime one asks me things like this: "What composer X wanted to 'say' with this piece"... Poetry is an art. Music is another. They can be beautifully mixed. But I believe they should never confused or taken one for the other...

Just my 0,2 cents...


Truth.


I agree, as well. I was told this story in college lit class but I cannot confirm the veracity. As the story goes, Joyce Kilmer, the author of the poem ‘tree’ was sitting Anonymously in a symposium where his poem was being analyzed. The Analysis, which referenced the author’s intent, was quite mystical.

At the end, Kilmer’s remark was “sometimes a tree is just a tree”.




"Truth & Wisdom" in that statement.



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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915507 11/23/19 02:52 PM
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A tree is always just a tree but for the human spirit the tree can mean so much more.
The tree will carry on though ,existing as just a tree.

Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915510 11/23/19 03:18 PM
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Bass should go "dong"
Middle should go "ding"
Treble should go "ping"

Yup, hard to put in words alone.


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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: guyl] #2915532 11/23/19 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by guyl
Bass should go "dong"
Middle should go "ding"
Treble should go "ping"


In Puccini's Turandot:
baritone: Ping (Lord Chancellor)
tenor: Pang (Majordomo)
tenor: Pong (Head chef of the Imperial Kitchen)

I wonder if they played piano on the side?

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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: dogperson] #2915555 11/23/19 05:10 PM
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Robust, smooth, rich


Coffee!

Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Piano*Dad] #2915557 11/23/19 05:15 PM
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Robust, smooth, rich


Coffee!


Or a glass of wine. Perhaps ?

For coffee I would add ‘ bite’ (very unscientific descriptor, again)


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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915558 11/23/19 05:24 PM
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Well, to me, if you add "bite" I'm thinking single malt!

Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915567 11/23/19 05:47 PM
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It interests me that so many of you have such definite ideas about your "ideal" piano sound. I find I like pianos that allow me to play with as much subtlety as I can muster and that give me the promise of even more subtlety as I improve. Such a piano could be on the warmer, richer, more complex side or on the clearer, more direct, forthright side...or anywhere in between and any combination of bass, middle, treble as long as it all works together well. Oh, and a flawless action! As some have said above, you know it when you hear it.

My current piano, an August Förster 215, knocked me out when I first played it. When I came back to my senses and played some more, it gave me the promise of much learning to come on an instrument that would always ask more of me and then give it to me as I improved.

I played a lot of instruments before buying my Förster. Three other contenders for my heart were a Model 4 Blüthner, an Estonia 210, and a Mason & Hamlin AA. These 4 pianos could not be more different from each other in tonal qualities, and all were pianos I could potentially grow old with! The Förster won my heart because of an extraordinarily long sustain, a treble clarity that was more crystalline than bell-like that could always cut through the bass, a middle range that was viola in nature with some oboe and English horn sharpness, and a bass that could travel from a cello/double bass sound through a French horn sound, to a full Bruckner brass ensemble.

My point is, I could have been happy with any of these 4 pianos with very different sound profiles; it just so happens that one literally and figuratively resonated with me more.


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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915568 11/23/19 05:54 PM
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guyl is on to something similar to my model. Bass is like a gong. Human vocal range of piano must sing. High treble must sound like beautiful bird song.

This three part compass of the 88 notes is part of my Musically Intelligible Sound model for piano.

Individual note is divided into two parts. Impact sound and sustained tone. Impact sound can be characterized my consonant sounds. Sustained tone with vowel color. That is another part. of the model.


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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915578 11/23/19 06:59 PM
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Words fail me, so you'll have to listen to this piano by this pianist in this hall, prepared by this technician.

Take a glass of heavy red wine and dive into that sound.

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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915608 11/23/19 09:01 PM
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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915819 11/24/19 02:43 PM
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Clear, incisive bass. Warm, sparkly treble. Like my Bluthner in fact!

Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915839 11/24/19 03:25 PM
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Schimmel has so many lines.I suppose the Konzert and the Classic are the " best " ?

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I am sorry the above post should have been posted in the Schimmel thread ???
Just an error !

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Best to just BE !

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Re: your ideal piano sound [Re: Jitin] #2915966 11/24/19 08:44 PM
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I notice the speech pathologist does not describe her "ideal piano sound" ???

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