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Sir Stephen Cleobury, R.I.P.
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As that season is almost upon us, for many, there will be lots of festive activities. Some might even sing.....and play the piano. (After all, it's only once a year wink ).

But for many around the world, Christmas only starts when they hear a lone chorister singing this on a live radio broadcast from the Chapel of King's College, Cambridge at 1500 GMT on December 24th:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVpRukhYGd0 (- this was last year's TV version, which is different from the actual Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols on Christmas Eve)

I grew up listening to this annual service, directed by Philip Ledger, then Stephen Cleobury, who retired from the job just two months ago, after 37 years at the helm, the longest serving director of the choir. In high school, our Chapel Choir sang in an annual Christmas service modelled on the one at King's (though it wasn't King's which started the tradition): in our version, we had a girl soprano singing the opening verse, and used a more modern version of the Bible for the 'lessons'.

Cleobury passed away yesterday after a period of ill health.

I have a special memory of Cleobury because I wrote to him soon after he took over the choir, annoyed at the changes he made to the opening Once in Royal David's City, where he changed the harmonization slightly, and also got the congregation to join in from the third verse onwards, rather than the penultimate verse as had been the case under Ledger. Within two weeks, I received a very nice handwritten reply from him, explaining why he made the changes. I still have that letter.....

Cleobury commissioned a new carol every year from composers ranging from Rutter to Adès. Though Tavener's The Lamb was not a commission by him, it was the performance by King's which made it famous and is now sung by choirs around the world: its simplicity - and grating dissonances followed by sweet consonance, which sounded so strange at the time (1982) - is now something that everyone takes in their stride thumb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_9kwlULmUM

This is one of my favorite carol arrangements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPpy3XSk6c0


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Not being particularly "tuned in" to the staffing at the Chapel of Kings College I sincerely appreciate the information provided in your long post. May Mr. Cleobury rest in peace. He certainly brought happiness to many through his work over the past 40 years.

Our Anglican church in Phoenix presents an annual Lessons and Carols service (in which I participate as chorister and instrumentalist). The service always begins with the solo verse of Once in Royal David's City sung by a child in our parish. A couple of years ago we sang Tavener's The Lamb (hauntingly beautiful piece). And of course no Christmas music season is complete without some arrangement of In the Bleak Midwinter. I'm looking forward to our L&C service in late December. "Tis the season indeed !! smile


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Originally Posted by bennevis
As that season is almost upon us, for many, there will be lots of festive activities. Some might even sing.....and play the piano. (After all, it's only once a year wink ).

But for many around the world, Christmas only starts when they hear a lone chorister singing this on a live radio broadcast from the Chapel of King's College, Cambridge at 1500 GMT on December 24th:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVpRukhYGd0 (- this was last year's TV version, which is different from the actual Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols on Christmas Eve)

I grew up listening to this annual service, directed by Philip Ledger, then Stephen Cleobury, who retired from the job just two months ago, after 37 years at the helm, the longest serving director of the choir. In high school, our Chapel Choir sang in an annual Christmas service modelled on the one at King's (though it wasn't King's which started the tradition): in our version, we had a girl soprano singing the opening verse, and used a more modern version of the Bible for the 'lessons'.

Cleobury passed away yesterday after a period of ill health.

I have a special memory of Cleobury because I wrote to him soon after he took over the choir, annoyed at the changes he made to the opening Once in Royal David's City, where he changed the harmonization slightly, and also got the congregation to join in from the third verse onwards, rather than the penultimate verse as had been the case under Ledger. Within two weeks, I received a very nice handwritten reply from him, explaining why he made the changes. I still have that letter.....

Cleobury commissioned a new carol every year from composers ranging from Rutter to Adès. Though Tavener's The Lamb was not a commission by him, it was the performance by King's which made it famous and is now sung by choirs around the world: its simplicity - and grating dissonances followed by sweet consonance, which sounded so strange at the time (1982) - is now something that everyone takes in their stride thumb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_9kwlULmUM

This is one of my favorite carol arrangements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPpy3XSk6c0



Thank you for the detailed post/ May he rest in peace...



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Originally Posted by Carey
A couple of years ago we sang Tavener's The Lamb (hauntingly beautiful piece).

Thanks for that - I didn't know there were Anglican churches in AZ.

These days, churches in the UK are full only at Christmas. I'm not a Christian, but I sometimes attend my local church at Christmas, just to sing....(though as we don't have a trained choir, The Lamb is beyond the congregation's ability).

I just found this 'motivic developmental analysis' video (created for theory students of the University of the Arts in Philadelphia) of that piece. For those interested in that sort of thing, enjoy! thumb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqZYA9EU6PI


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A couple of years ago we sang Tavener's The Lamb (hauntingly beautiful piece).
Thanks for that - I didn't know there were Anglican churches in AZ.

In much of the US, the Anglican churches are just called "Episcopalian". I was a member of an Episcopal church in California. My daughter was christened in one. There are indeed Anglican churches in the US.


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Originally Posted by bennevis
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I just found this 'motivic developmental analysis' video (created for theory students of the University of the Arts in Philadelphia) of that piece. For those interested in that sort of thing, enjoy! thumb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqZYA9EU6PI


Thanks for that.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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A couple of years ago we sang Tavener's The Lamb (hauntingly beautiful piece).
Thanks for that - I didn't know there were Anglican churches in AZ.
In much of the US, the Anglican churches are just called "Episcopalian". I was a member of an Episcopal church in California. My daughter was christened in one. There are indeed Anglican churches in the US.


I realize we are not supposed to discuss "religion" on these forums, but (for the record) the distinction between Episcopal and Anglican churches in the USA has become more pronounced in the past ten years. For those of us involved in all this, it has been an interesting process.

From Wikipedia: "The Anglican Church in North America (ACNA) was founded in 2009 by former members of the Episcopal Church in the United States and the Anglican Church of Canada who were dissatisfied with liberal doctrinal and social teachings in their former churches, which they considered contradictory to traditional Anglican belief."

So yes, ours is an Anglican parish -- which is different from the Episcopal parish we broke away from back in 2007. The good news is that the Lessons and Carols tradition still thrives in both denominations. smile


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Originally Posted by Carey
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A couple of years ago we sang Tavener's The Lamb (hauntingly beautiful piece).
Thanks for that - I didn't know there were Anglican churches in AZ.
In much of the US, the Anglican churches are just called "Episcopalian". I was a member of an Episcopal church in California. My daughter was christened in one. There are indeed Anglican churches in the US.
I realize we are not supposed to discuss "religion" on these forums, but (for the record) the distinction between Episcopal and Anglican churches in the USA has become more pronounced in the past ten years. For those of us involved in all this, it has been an interesting process.

From Wikipedia: "The Anglican Church in North America (ACNA) was founded in 2009 by former members of the Episcopal Church in the United States and the Anglican Church of Canada who were dissatisfied with liberal doctrinal and social teachings in their former churches, which they considered contradictory to traditional Anglican belief."

So yes, ours is an Anglican parish -- which is different from the Episcopal parish we broke away from back in 2007. The good news is that the Lessons and Carols tradition still thrives in both denominations. smile

Thanks for the clarification. I guess I was just a member of the plain old Episcopalian church then.

That said, we are members of the same Anglican Communion the Anglicans are a member of and the head of the Anglican Communion is the same Justin Welby who is the Archbishop of Canterbury for both Episcopalians and Anglicans, so go figure smile


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Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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Originally Posted by Carey
A couple of years ago we sang Tavener's The Lamb (hauntingly beautiful piece).
Thanks for that - I didn't know there were Anglican churches in AZ.
In much of the US, the Anglican churches are just called "Episcopalian". I was a member of an Episcopal church in California. My daughter was christened in one. There are indeed Anglican churches in the US.


I realize we are not supposed to discuss "religion" on these forums, but (for the record) the distinction between Episcopal and Anglican churches in the USA has become more pronounced in the past ten years. For those of us involved in all this, it has been an interesting process.

From Wikipedia: "The Anglican Church in North America (ACNA) was founded in 2009 by former members of the Episcopal Church in the United States and the Anglican Church of Canada who were dissatisfied with liberal doctrinal and social teachings in their former churches, which they considered contradictory to traditional Anglican belief."

So yes, ours is an Anglican parish -- which is different from the Episcopal parish we broke away from back in 2007. The good news is that the Lessons and Carols tradition still thrives in both denominations. smile



We arrived in Canada 2001. The church we attend was called Anglican.The break away Anglican churches are also referred to by us as Anglican.My friend goes to one.I have only ever thought of the
Anglican Church in the USA as Episcopalian.


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I didn't know him at all, saw a mention on the FB presence of Classic FM and wondered.

Makes a lot more sense now, and thanks for the YT links. So beautiful.


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Originally Posted by bennevis

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These days, churches in the UK are full only at Christmas...

My Catholic friend told me this is known as CEO in the US ... Christmas and Easter Only.

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These days, churches in the UK are full only at Christmas...

My Catholic friend told me this is known as CEO in the US ... Christmas and Easter Only.

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I was a PhD student at King's when Stephen took over from Phillip Ledger (who also died fairly recently). I didn't get to know Stephen as well as I knew Phillip, with whom I got to be quite good friends, but based on our interactions during the one year that we overlapped I grew to like and respect him more and more as time went on. My wife and I were married in the chapel and I was honored that Stephen agreed to direct the choir at our wedding. (They sang two English anthems by Tallis: Hear the Voice and Prayer and the gorgeous If Ye Love Me.) I also grew incrementally fond of his musical personality, as expressed through his highly personal repertoire selections, and his mellow directing style, which was in stark contrast to Ledger's dynamism and energy.

I was saddened by the news of his death, especially since it came so soon after a host of events to celebrate his retirement that were held at the college earlier in the year, to which I was invited but unfortunately could not attend. He will be missed by many, both within the world of music-making and beyond it. RIP.

Here's a blast from my past, for those who love English perpendicular architecture (yep, that's really me):

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Originally Posted by SiFi
I was a PhD student at King's when Stephen took over from Phillip Ledger (who also died fairly recently). I didn't get to know Stephen as well as I knew Phillip, with whom I got to be quite good friends, but based on our interactions during the one year that we overlapped I grew to like and respect him more and more as time went on. My wife and I were married in the chapel and I was honored that Stephen agreed to direct the choir at our wedding. (They sang two English anthems by Tallis: Hear the Voice and Prayer and the gorgeous If Ye Love Me.) I also grew incrementally fond of his musical personality, as expressed through his highly personal repertoire selections, and his mellow directing style, which was in stark contrast to Ledger's dynamism and energy.

I was saddened by the news of his death, especially since it came so soon after a host of events to celebrate his retirement that were held at the college earlier in the year, to which I was invited but unfortunately could not attend. He will be missed by many, both within the world of music-making and beyond it. RIP.

Here's a blast from my past, for those who love English perpendicular architecture (yep, that's really me):

http://forum.pianoworld.com//gallery/42/full/12218.jpg
Wonderful photo !! thumb


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Originally Posted by SiFi
I was a PhD student at King's when Stephen took over from Phillip Ledger (who also died fairly recently). I didn't get to know Stephen as well as I knew Phillip, with whom I got to be quite good friends, but based on our interactions during the one year that we overlapped I grew to like and respect him more and more as time went on. My wife and I were married in the chapel and I was honored that Stephen agreed to direct the choir at our wedding. (They sang two English anthems by Tallis: Hear the Voice and Prayer and the gorgeous If Ye Love Me.) I also grew incrementally fond of his musical personality, as expressed through his highly personal repertoire selections, and his mellow directing style, which was in stark contrast to Ledger's dynamism and energy.

I was saddened by the news of his death, especially since it came so soon after a host of events to celebrate his retirement that were held at the college earlier in the year, to which I was invited but unfortunately could not attend. He will be missed by many, both within the world of music-making and beyond it. RIP.

Here's a blast from my past, for those who love English perpendicular architecture (yep, that's really me):

http://forum.pianoworld.com//gallery/42/full/12218.jpg

Great pic!


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Originally Posted by SiFi
I was a PhD student at King's when Stephen took over from Phillip Ledger (who also died fairly recently). I didn't get to know Stephen as well as I knew Phillip, with whom I got to be quite good friends, but based on our interactions during the one year that we overlapped I grew to like and respect him more and more as time went on. My wife and I were married in the chapel and I was honored that Stephen agreed to direct the choir at our wedding. (They sang two English anthems by Tallis: Hear the Voice and Prayer and the gorgeous If Ye Love Me.) I also grew incrementally fond of his musical personality, as expressed through his highly personal repertoire selections, and his mellow directing style, which was in stark contrast to Ledger's dynamism and energy.

I was saddened by the news of his death, especially since it came so soon after a host of events to celebrate his retirement that were held at the college earlier in the year, to which I was invited but unfortunately could not attend. He will be missed by many, both within the world of music-making and beyond it. RIP.

Here's a blast from my past, for those who love English perpendicular architecture (yep, that's really me):

http://forum.pianoworld.com//gallery/42/full/12218.jpg



Love the picture!



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Nice picture.

Speaking of English Perpendicular Architecture, this was my view for eight years in New York City:

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Surely, someone on here can tell me which tower this tower is modeled after.

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Originally Posted by LarryK
Nice picture.

Speaking of English Perpendicular Architecture, this was my view for eight years in New York City:

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Surely, someone on here can tell me which tower this tower is modeled after.

Looks a lot like Magdalen College, Oxford; the bell tower:

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Nice picture.

Speaking of English Perpendicular Architecture, this was my view for eight years in New York City:

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Surely, someone on here can tell me which tower this tower is modeled after.

Looks a lot like Magdalen College, Oxford; the bell tower:

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You win.

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Nice picture.

Speaking of English Perpendicular Architecture, this was my view for eight years in New York City:

Surely, someone on here can tell me which tower this tower is modeled after.
Looks a lot like Magdalen College, Oxford; the bell tower:
You win.

Not exactly fair as SIFI was a graduate from there. Just like I'd probably know the major historic buildings on my college's campus too.


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