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Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
#2914411 11/20/19 10:06 PM
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Hey all, I'm trying to find out if the GM10 (discontinued in 2015) has a sliding music desk. It's a 5 footer, and I know the Yamaha GB1K has a stationary desk that can't be moved, it lifts out for tuning. I also know that tuning the GB1K is awkward because of the height of the tuning pins.

Are these issues similar with the GM10? Also, I don't believe it has Millennium III action? What action does it have? For people who own one, do you like it?

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Re: Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
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Tuning a GB1K isn’t particularly awkward at all. Where did you get that idea?


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Re: Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
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One has to always question people's opinions online. Some tuner had trouble with a GB-1K, and after writing about it online it becomes 'fact.' I have never tuned one myself, so can't say.

Yes, the Kawai GM-10 had a sliding music desk, and also includes a full sostenuto function on the center pedal. Not sure about the GB-1.

Both of these pianos are economy pianos, and have their limitations - especially in the bass tone quality. But they are serviceable pianos given their limitations of short strings and short key lengths.


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terminaldegree #2914421 11/20/19 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Tuning a GB1K isn’t particularly awkward at all. Where did you get that idea?


From my tech, lol. I also read it online quite a few times. https://www.robertspianos.com/kawai-gm-10k-comparison-review/

I'm pretty sure I read it here, too.


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Re: Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
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Originally Posted by KawaiDon
One has to always question people's opinions online. Some tuner had trouble with a GB-1K, and after writing about it online it becomes 'fact.' I have never tuned one myself, so can't say.

Yes, the Kawai GM-10 had a sliding music desk, and also includes a full sostenuto function on the center pedal. Not sure about the GB-1.

Both of these pianos are economy pianos, and have their limitations - especially in the bass tone quality. But they are serviceable pianos given their limitations of short strings and short key lengths.


Thanks for the info!


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Re: Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
ebonykawai #2914424 11/20/19 10:56 PM
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I might be wrong, but this doesn't look like the music desk slides.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/554148308461510/

Does anyone know what the action is?


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Re: Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
ebonykawai #2914441 11/21/19 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ebonykawai

From my tech, lol. I also read it online quite a few times. https://www.robertspianos.com/kawai-gm-10k-comparison-review/
I'm pretty sure I read it here, too.


Eh. That’s pretty weak sauce for a meaningful comparison. The old “non underfelted” hammers bogeyman!
I never tune the high treble with the tuning hammer at that angle. Neither has anyone that’s tuned my pianos in the past. I’m not a big fan of the GB-1K, but I service about a half dozen of them every year and they’re among the easier pianos I get to tune.


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Re: Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
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This review shows the music rest sliding. The action is called "Ultra Responsive" in Kawai literature, so it's not Millenium III.


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Originally Posted by MarkL
This review shows the music rest sliding. The action is called "Ultra Responsive" in Kawai literature, so it's not Millenium III.


Thanks! Does this look like the same music desk as the FB pic? It looks different to me for some reason.


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From my tech, lol. I also read it online quite a few times. https://www.robertspianos.com/kawai-gm-10k-comparison-review/
I'm pretty sure I read it here, too.


Eh. That’s pretty weak sauce for a meaningful comparison. The old “non underfelted” hammers bogeyman!
I never tune the high treble with the tuning hammer at that angle. Neither has anyone that’s tuned my pianos in the past. I’m not a big fan of the GB-1K, but I service about a half dozen of them every year and they’re among the easier pianos I get to tune.


Doesn't really matter, I'm not buying a GB1K. Just asking about the similarities or differences between the 2 pianos.


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Re: Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
Originally Posted by MarkL
This review shows the music rest sliding.

Thanks! Does this look like the same music desk as the FB pic? It looks different to me for some reason.

It looks different because the photo is so glossy and badly illuminated, however if you look at the back edge of the rest, it has a rail running the width of the piano. That's typical of the design of Kawai sliding rests, including the newer models.


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ebonykawai #2914577 11/21/19 10:35 AM
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OK, thanks!!!


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Re: Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
ebonykawai #2914934 11/22/19 10:12 AM
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I spoke with the owner and he's adamently saying that the music desk doesn't slide. I find this so odd! Did any of the older GM10s have a desk like this? What a puzzlement!


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Re: Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
I spoke with the owner and he's adamently saying that the music desk doesn't slide. I find this so odd! Did any of the older GM10s have a desk like this? What a puzzlement!

Could be the owner just doesn't know how a sliding music desk on a grand style piano works, and has no clue what you're talking about.

Of course, I don't know much about grand style pianos myself... I thought all grand pianos had sliding music desks. Guess I was wrong. Of course, that wouldn't be the first time, or the last!

Wish I could be of more help, ebonykawai. smile

All the best!

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It's such a conundrum!!


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Re: Kawai GM-10 music desk, tuning?
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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by ebonykawai
I spoke with the owner and he's adamently saying that the music desk doesn't slide. I find this so odd! Did any of the older GM10s have a desk like this? What a puzzlement!

Could be the owner just doesn't know how a sliding music desk on a grand style piano works, and has no clue what you're talking about.

Of course, I don't know much about grand style pianos myself... I thought all grand pianos had sliding music desks. Guess I was wrong. Of course, that wouldn't be the first time, or the last!

Wish I could be of more help, ebonykawai. smile

All the best!

Rick

My Yamaha GB1K’s music desk didn’t slide. AFAIK the GB1s never did include a sliding music desk! Whether Kawai didn’t include a sliding music desk on their smallest grand I just don’t know but if the owner said his piano doesn’t have one, I’d tend to take it as a fact. On a five foot grand there’s less room and to be truthful because the piano is small, the music desk worked just where it was. Also, because I only had an upright I never had a sliding music desk before and certainly didn’t miss it. On the C3 and L190, I certainly need and use the sliding music rack but those are bigger by at least a foot and there’s more room to slide forward and back.


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The best thing would be to try it out with your current music selection. See if the music rack works for you.
Best of Luck!


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Originally Posted by j&j
My Yamaha GB1K’s music desk didn’t slide. AFAIK the GB1s never did include a sliding music desk! Whether Kawai didn’t include a sliding music desk on their smallest grand I just don’t know but if the owner said his piano doesn’t have one, I’d tend to take it as a fact. On a five foot grand there’s less room and to be truthful because the piano is small, the music desk worked just where it was. Also, because I only had an upright I never had a sliding music desk before and certainly didn’t miss it. On the C3 and L190, I certainly need and use the sliding music rack but those are bigger by at least a foot and there’s more room to slide forward and back.

A baby grand piano without a sliding music desk? Say it ain't so! Well, okay, I guess it is so...

Does the actual vertical shelf/stand tilt at different angles? Even if the music desk didn't slide forward and rearward, the option to adjust the shelf/stand would still be beneficial, I suppose.

As far as upright pianos go, I never really liked that little bitty, tiny folding flange called a music desk on those European style uprights. It seemed to me that design was the next thing to not having a music desk at all. But that topic it getting off topic, sorry.

Getting back on topic, I personally prefer the music desk to slide forward and rearward on a grand piano, because they are usually easier to remove from the piano altogether. Quite often I play my grand pianos with the music desk removed entirely from the piano. The sliding ones are easy to remove from the piano and easy to reinstall.

Just my .02, free of charge. smile

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Thanks, everyone, he's sending me pics. I know it's stupid not to believe him, LOL, it's pretty straightforward to slide a music desk. I just wanted to be sure before I take a long drive out.


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Believe me Rick, I love a sliding music rack. But when you buy a small lower priced baby grand, several comprises are part of the package. Unfortunately. When I bought that baby grand it was bank owned. I bought it at a deep discount. It was my first grand. It met all my basic expectations at the time. For all their shortcomings I think the GB1 is still Yamaha’s bestselling acoustic grand.


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
Thanks, everyone, he's sending me pics. I know it's stupid not to believe him, LOL, it's pretty straightforward to slide a music desk. I just wanted to be sure before I take a long drive out.

You might get him to send you a photo of the serial number and the spot on the harp where the model is shown. It would be nice to be confident it's really a GM-10. You can verify the age with the serial number.


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