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Christmas tree's impact on piano sound?? #2914309 11/20/19 03:47 PM
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Ok, so now that I've had the piano repositioned, I'm thinking about where the tree should go. Based on the room/layout and the front window etc., I'm thinking that the best spot for the tree is in the space created by the curve of the case, in between the piano and the red chair:

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We have a 7-foot tree, I think it takes up about 4 feet at the bottom (widest part), so there aren't a lot of other options for where to put it. Well, I supposed I could move the rocking chair over into the spot b/w the red chair and the piano, and move the castle artpiece into another room temporarily:

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I'm not sure this second option is a good one though because there's a doorway there, and the tree would sort of fill up the whole room, whereas if it's by the red chair, the rest of the room is still open the way it is now.

Anyway, here are the two options:
1) tree in the curve of the piano
2) tree on wall opposite the red chair.

Do you think option 1 have a big impact on the sound of the piano? Am I overthinking? I do hope to do some recording during the holidays, so that's one reason I'm concerned about the sound... But I also want to enjoy the tree and will have people over etc.

Anything else I should take into consideration? (It's an artificial tree, so no watering etc.)

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Re: Christmas tree's impact on piano sound?? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2914318 11/20/19 04:12 PM
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It looks as though you don't have much choice; the tree should go between the piano and the red chair. Depending on actual space available, closer to the chair than to the piano.

As far as sound is concerned: Yes, I think you are overthinking it. If you have no (or not much choice), live with it for the duration.

When I lived in a second floor condo in Pennsylvania with a small living room (12' x 15'), I decided to put the artificial tree outside on the balcony off the living room and I decorated it only with miniature lights. That way, I could enjoy it from the inside and the neighbours in the cul-de-sac could also enjoy it as they passed by. What is on the outside of your living room window?

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Re: Christmas tree's impact on piano sound?? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2914321 11/20/19 04:19 PM
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What is on the outside of your living room window?


Our front porch... I don't know if there's an outlet out there, will look later. Hmm, that's an interesting idea, but I don't think it will work here. Plus I want my tree inside so I can have all the ornaments on it! smile


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Re: Christmas tree's impact on piano sound?? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2914323 11/20/19 04:21 PM
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My understanding is the tree will make your trills, mordents, turns, and other ornaments shine.


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Re: Christmas tree's impact on piano sound?? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2914338 11/20/19 05:00 PM
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Hang it upside down from the ceiling. The four foot diameter of the bottom will not disturb anyone up there (unless you are 8 feet tall)!

Plus, you might win a prize from some modern, avant garde, home decorating magazine publisher! laugh


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You do get these modern artificial trees ,painted silver or silvery blue, no leaves just bare branches
with ornaments or lights. This would not obscure the piano.If anyone should knock the tree over while carol singing ,not a calamity.,easy to pick up !
Have a lovely Christmas with your wonderful new piano ShiroKuro.

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Where will you put your guests?

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Re: Christmas tree's impact on piano sound?? [Re: BruceD] #2914377 11/20/19 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BruceD
Where will you put your guests?


I guess they'll have to stand out on the porch...

Kidding!! whome

If the tree goes on the rug between the red chair and the piano, there will still be all the floor space (that doesn't really show in the photo) and also there is a family room off of the piano room. When we have guests over, we re-arrange the furniture in the family room so that it functions as a gathering space, and there's a counter there where we lay out food and drinks etc. so it works pretty well.

But this is another reason why not to put the tree where the rocking chair is, it would really be in the way!


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Re: Christmas tree's impact on piano sound?? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2914607 11/21/19 10:33 AM
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The tree's impact on my piano is that it tends to produce more festive seasonal favorites! And the voicing changes ever so slightly, with an almost imperceptible hint of sleigh bells. smile



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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
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Where will you put your guests?


I guess they'll have to stand out on the porch...




Just pop the piano out on the porch for a while. Then you'll have room for both the guests and the tree smile

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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
The tree's impact on my piano is that it tends to produce more festive seasonal favorites! And the voicing changes ever so slightly, with an almost imperceptible hint of sleigh bells. smile


3hearts

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Overthinking! ... And I thought I had a problem. But, either way should be good for Ode to Joy. 2hearts

Re: Christmas tree's impact on piano sound?? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2914728 11/21/19 04:20 PM
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Overthinking!


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You wont know what the tree does to the acoustics until you try it. There is a chance that the room sounds better with the tree in there.


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Originally Posted by gwing
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Where will you put your guests?


I guess they'll have to stand out on the porch...




Just pop the piano out on the porch for a while. Then you'll have room for both the guests and the tree smile

The guests are going on the porch ! Her "baby" will stay inside. Christmas pudding and blankets will be supplied.

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I have never noticed any perceptive difference in sound when I put up the Christmas tree next to my piano. Of course, every ones rooms are set up different.


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OT, my Channuka menorah doesn't have any effect on the sound.


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Re: Christmas tree's impact on piano sound?? [Re: PhilipInChina] #2915316 11/23/19 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
OT, my Channuka menorah doesn't have any effect on the sound.


So it's just like a Christmas tree then. grin

Re: Christmas tree's impact on piano sound?? [Re: ShiroKuro] #2915377 11/23/19 09:31 AM
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Y'all can make fun of me as much as you want, but remember, I just had the piano re-positioned so that the lid opens to the long side of the room, and that made a huge change -- for the better -- in the sound of the piano, and I absolutely love how it sounds now.

And now here I am, contemplating putting a 7-foot tall object right in the curve of the piano. This object is made of plastic and metal, and will be covered with smaller objects that are plastic, metal, and glass. The base of the tree is about 4 feet across at the widest point. The space between the piano and the red tree is barely five feet. So the tree will go right in the space where most of the piano's sound comes out. Why wouldn't it affect the sound?

It's a temporary change, so any negative impact will also be temporary, and that alone makes the "overthinking" charge understandable. But the whole point of getting this grand, and then having it re-positioned, is so I can enjoy the sound of it. It's only natural that I worry about something which would diminish that.

It's not like I'm defensive or anything though.

Ok, carry on. whome


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ShiroKuro, here are my thoughts...

And, keep in mind that I'm no expert when it comes to much of anything. But based on what little knowledge I have of physics, any additional molecular mass in your music room will have some sound absorbency qualities. Certain things have more sound absorbing effects that others.

I do think your Christmas Tree, with decorations, and presents under the tree, would indeed have some impact on the piano's sound, based on what you hear now. What that impact might be, or how to measure it might be more of a scientific calculation. In other words, you really won't know till you put your tree up and then play the piano and see how it sounds! smile

As far as overthinking things, yea, I'm that way too. A lot of us are.

I keep thinking about how beautiful your piano/music room is, and what a lovely time and scrumptious atmosphere you all will have when you put your tree up and enjoy the Holiday festivities!

Wish I could be there and join in the fun!!! smile

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