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Black Friday piano VST deals #2913947 11/19/19 05:57 PM
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Wanna make a thread with piano VST related Black Friday offers?

I came across Sampletekk's sale, they have some pretty ridiculous discounts right now:

https://www.sampletekk.com/specials

Probably nothing that would be in the most often recommended lists on here, but might still be worth a look because it's so super cheap right now.

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Re: Black Friday piano VST deals [Re: Grazilerimba] #2913951 11/19/19 06:14 PM
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Great idea! I'm waiting for some of the big ones though, such as Garritan CFX, etc.


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The only instrument in the Sampletekk sale, that caught my interest, is the Blue Grand. The White Grand, which I got for $39, with the Black Grand included, is sampled from the same piano.

So the Blue Grand is a watered-down version of the White Grand. I can probably make the White sound like the Blue, by dropping an EQ on it.


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Uhhh ... these aren't "deals". This is just a case of tossing out old sneakers that nobody wanted.

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Ivory II Studio Grands for $199: https://www.ilio.com/ivory-2-studio-grands

I'm hoping Pianoteq will have a deal on upgrades and/or instruments.

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Production Voices have a few deals, will be adding more next week, and a couple of exclusive deals on Black Friday, according to an email from Jason.

https://www.productionvoices.com/

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Black Friday at Fluffy Audio

$141.90 $53.90 for Scoring Piano
$75.90 $31.90 for My Piano

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Originally Posted by angmyu
Black Friday at Fluffy Audio

$141.90 $53.90 for Scoring Piano
$75.90 $31.90 for My Piano



This scoring piano sounds really like what I like on a piano wink
What about half pedaling? repedaling? I can't find any information on these points

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Originally Posted by OmniaAequalis
Ivory II Studio Grands for $199: https://www.ilio.com/ivory-2-studio-grands

I'm hoping Pianoteq will have a deal on upgrades and/or instruments.


Best Service have Ivory II Studio Grands for $149 USD smile


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Black Friday at Fluffy Audio

$141.90 $53.90 for Scoring Piano
$75.90 $31.90 for My Piano



This scoring piano sounds really like what I like on a piano wink
What about half pedaling? repedaling? I can't find any information on these points

The Fluffy Scoring piano is fantastic. $53.90 is an absolute bargain. Very flexible in shaping the tone & stereo image/depth with 3 mic perspectives. From memory it does re-pedalling well - not sure about half pedalling. The demos sound pretty mellow, but there is a lot of dynamic range in the sampling (around 20+ layers I believe) so it can really 'bite' when you dig in.


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Fluffy Audio?

Never heard of it, that name doesn't sound too serious. smirk

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Originally Posted by Craig Richards
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Ivory II Studio Grands for $199: https://www.ilio.com/ivory-2-studio-grands

I'm hoping Pianoteq will have a deal on upgrades and/or instruments.


Best Service have Ivory II Studio Grands for $149 USD smile


Best service quote completely different prices, depending on the currency. It is far cheaper in USD than in EUR, and most expensive in GBP.

$149
159 EUR
£145

That is not just outrageous; it's plain weird.


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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia

Best service quote completely different prices, depending on the currency. It is far cheaper in USD than in EUR, and most expensive in GBP.

$149
159 EUR
£145

That is not just outrageous; it's plain weird.


For stuff like that, I use Revolut... look it up!

I got fed up of price hikes (such as you have highlighted above) when paying for products/services in GBP.


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A few places to find music software and hardware deals:

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/forum/34-deals/

https://vi-control.net/community/forums/deals-deals-deals.138/

https://vi-control.net/community/forums/deals-deals-deals-tier-2.172/

I think the third site requires one to log into the vi-control site (unsponsored deals are posted there).

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Originally Posted by U3piano
Fluffy Audio?

Never heard of it, that name doesn't sound too serious. smirk


I had the same, but listening to some of their libraries changed that view rather quickly. Some interesting libraries they made!

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Originally Posted by angmyu
Black Friday at Fluffy Audio

$141.90 $53.90 for Scoring Piano
$75.90 $31.90 for My Piano


Scoring Piano now $49 (and My Piano $29) when I go there.

Ivory II Studio Grands for $149 seems a better deal though.

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Is that the full version?

Well, 20% off. Anyone think there will be a better Black Friday deal on Garritan CFX coming?


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Is Noire any good?

$74.50 (50% off)

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/noire/

Only requires Kontakt free player.

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Native instruments have 50% off most of their stuff.

For example

Una Corda £64.50 instead of £129

The Giant £44.50 instead of £89

I see they also now have “Komplete Start” which is free for anyone, here’s their vid on it
https://youtu.be/MJ3qRPT7Yxk

Arturia also has a Black Friday deal on. Can get the full “V Collection 7” for €299 Instead of €499
Just upgraded my v6 for to v7 for just €99, was worth it for the Mellotron


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Is that the full version?

Well, 20% off. Anyone think there will be a better Black Friday deal on Garritan CFX coming?


Yes that would be the full version. When I bought CFX lite over the weekend the price was $59 and the standard price for the upgrade is I believe $99. Bear in mind there's no demos and no refunds (I'm currently disappointed with my purchase) but if you are thinking about it I don't see what you've got to lose (well $59) by going for the lite version initially to dip your toe in the water.

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Is that the full version?

Well, 20% off. Anyone think there will be a better Black Friday deal on Garritan CFX coming?


Yes that would be the full version. When I bought CFX lite over the weekend the price was $59 and the standard price for the upgrade is I believe $99. Bear in mind there's no demos and no refunds (I'm currently disappointed with my purchase) but if you are thinking about it I don't see what you've got to lose (well $59) by going for the lite version initially to dip your toe in the water.


Good price. I got the lite awhile back and upgraded a couple weeks ago. I too can't say I'm overwhelmed by it. The internal sound of the N2 is still better, but I think if I tweak some settings with CFX I might be able to get a better separation between bass and treble. I can't explain it .. it just doesn't sound right.

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Originally Posted by Burkie
Is Noire any good?

$74.50 (50% off)

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/noire/

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I think it's a great deal. As far as I know this is the first significant price reduction for Noire since it's only a short time on the market.
The demo's sound really good. Unfortunately that's the case for most VST's, there is no demo version that you can try at home so it's still a bit of a gamble if you will like it and if it works well on your setup. Still I'm very tempted to buy it. The price reduction is valid till December 9 so plenty of time left to think about it.

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If anyone here already has the Noire, can you provide us with a review? Or compare it with Ivory II / Garritan CFX?

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Originally Posted by Burkie
If anyone here already has the Noire, can you provide us with a review? Or compare it with Ivory II / Garritan CFX?

I would also like to hear something about this VST. Does it handle half-pedaling, for example? And what model/year piano is it?


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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If anyone here already has the Noire, can you provide us with a review? Or compare it with Ivory II / Garritan CFX?

I would also like to hear something about this VST. Does it handle half-pedaling, for example? And what model/year piano is it?


It supports half-pedaling and repedaling.

It's a Yamaha CFX - hand selected and customized by Nils Frahm and his technician Carsten Shulz. Includes effectively 2 instruments - one with extra felt in between the hammers and the strings (called, unsurprisingly, Noire Felt).

Recorded this year in Berlin’s renowned, Bauhaus-designed Funkhaus recording complex.

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I hope Ravenscroft 275 will be discounted as well. It's good to have this topic with all discounts at one place.


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Originally Posted by OmniaAequalis

Is that still version 1? Or have they released version 2 that they were talking about several years ago?
Their web site looks like it's from the 1990s.

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And those 4Front pianos sound like the web site. So don't bother.
I did, long ago. Just one more mistaken result of GAS.
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4Front TruePianos 50% off. Now $59,99.
Is that still version 1? Or have they released version 2 that they were talking about several years ago? Their web site looks like it's from the 1990s.

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4Front TruePianos 50% off. Now $59,99.
Is that still version 1? Or have they released version 2 that they were talking about several years ago? Their web site looks like it's from the 1990s.


Thanks MacMacMac, looks like I'll go with the Noire unless Wavesfactory match the 50% discount on their Mercury Pro.

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Is that still version 1? Or have they released version 2 that they were talking about several years ago?
Their web site looks like it's from the 1990s.


I have no idea, sorry. I just see a lot of deals and relay them as they come.in ;-)

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Originally Posted by Burkie
If anyone here already has the Noire, can you provide us with a review? Or compare it with Ivory II / Garritan CFX?


Noire has been discussed in this thread and forum members like it.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2831245/3.html

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If anyone here already has the Noire, can you provide us with a review? Or compare it with Ivory II / Garritan CFX?


Noire has been discussed in this thread and forum members like it.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2831245/3.html

Thanks, sounds good.

I also see Imperfect Samples' Fazioli on special:
http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website/samples/fazioliconcertgrand/fazioligrand_extreme.php

But then I found that requires the full version of Kontakt!

Noire seems like the winner.

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VSL has some excellent prices on Black Friday week (November 26 through December 2, 2019)

The Steinway is at a good discount and there are plenty of posts here about that VI. A full list of VSL products on sale are linked below

Concert D-274 Standard Library | 195€ 285€ (32% off)
Concert D-274 Full Library | 390€ 540€ (28% off)

ViennaKey | 15€ 24€ (38 % off)

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/vsl-black-friday-deals-2019.87280/

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Just dropping in to inform that I got the Sampletekk Blue Grand for six bucks (of course the Swedish state had to slam 25% VAT on the thing, though it didn't make a huge difference for such a low price).

First impressions, really like the bluesy sound of it, can see myself using it a bit for jazz or blues, more mellow sounding than the White Grand, though the two are sampled from the same piano.

What drew my attention most, was that there is an SFZ preset file for the Blue Grand. That means it can be used in the free Plogue Sforzando player. No need for an expensive Kontakt 5. Per should advertise this on his site, hope he's reading this!

Even though I have Kontakt 5, I might end up using the Blue Grand more in the Plogue Sforzando player. It makes it possible to use the reverbs in Plogue, and the detune effect, which can really mess up a sampled piano - think ragtime.

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Somebody at vi-control is updating a list of VST Black Friday offers. The table is fast and easy to scan; also has links

https://vi-control.net/community/th...tical-list-of-november-2019-sales.86694/

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An email I receved from VI Labs today.... deals are coming.

Hi Bruce,

Thank you for reaching us and for your interest in our pianos,
FYI we will offer a storewide discount on our website in a few days for Black Friday ;-)
In addition you will profit from an automatic 10% discount if you purchase both Ravenscroft and the True Keys Pianos.
Regarding your last enquiry, I confirm you that your computer's specifications are sufficient enough to use our pianos.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Best regards,


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I took the plunge and purchased my first VST:

Native Instruments Noire

Beware that it consumes 34 Gb of space smile

I'll try it out on my two pianos tonight.

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I'll give my thoughts on Noire since I just picked this up. After playing around with it for a few days, this is going to be one of my top piano vsts alongside Grandeur and Ravenscroft. If you like Grandeur, then it plays very similar. The sound out of the box is a little flat and the releases too loud. I turned down the releases and increased the brightness a bit with the color knob. I also added some of the sub to give a little more oomph to the lower octaves.

The sound is a little more diffuse than Grandeur and better suits slower more emotive pieces. The mapping and velocity curve are very smooth, no notes stick out to my ears. The release tails are a bit longer than these other pianos which also lends to being less suited for fast technical pieces. I will say the release tails though are not as long as with Garritan CFX or Embertone which is one the reasons I avoid these vsts. Embertone in particular has very long release tails, more than double that of the Grandeur or Ravenscroft, such with fast passages the notes tend to blend together and you do not get good note separation.

Half pedaling works very well with Noire; however, will note like the Grandeur it only works when you press the pedal first before striking a note. If you strike a note first and then press the pedal, you do not get half pedaling. Not a deal breaker for me and I don't notice this with my playing.

Repedal only works as catch repedaling. That is, if you hit a note or chord, release the keys, and then quickly engage the pedal, it will catch the sustain at a lower volume. I do find the volume with this to be a little lower than I prefer. I will see if I can tweak this in the script. It will not repedal if you press the sustain pedal, hit and release keys, and then quickly go off and back on the sustain pedal. Again, I don't notice this with my playing style.

The particle engine is fun to play around with, but the default settings create too much chaos. I found I really needed to turn down all the settings to get something engaging. There is a slider that lets you select how much of this is blended with the piano sound. At one point, I moved the slider to only play the particles and used it with other vsts loaded into Kontakt, including the Grandeur. So it is flexible on how you can use it to enhance your playing or for sound design.

The big bonus for me is the felt piano. I have other felt pianos, but they always present too much mechanical noise because of the muted hammer strikes. With Noire, the mechanical noise is very suppressed and the color knob gives a wide variety of tonal presentations. You can use this on its own or blend it with the regular piano by loading both into Kontakt.

In summary, Noire is exceptionally smooth and suites slower more emotive pieces. I find nothing that distracts. Dynamic range is acceptable to me, but does not hit the extremes, particularly at fff - note most piano vsts don't. It has the most variety of controls to alter the sound I have seen and is a very good value with the added particle engine and felt piano included at the sale price. I would recommend this as a first piano vst unless you need something for fast technical work. Then, I would go with Grandeur/Vintage D, Ravenscroft (also good for jazz styles), or Garritan CFX with the best playability. Note I do not have the Ivorys or VSL pianos which also get fairly positive reviews.


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Thanks for the extensive review. I will probably buy Noire also during this sales period with 50% price reduction. Have already installed Kontakt player 6 and Native access. How is the activation done, by serial nr?

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Thanks for the extensive review. I will probably buy Noire also during this sales period with 50% price reduction. Have already installed Kontakt player 6 and Native access. How is the activation done, by serial nr?

As soon as you purchase it it will appear in Native Access. No specific activation is required. Very smooth easy installation.

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Thanks, I hope it will run well on my moderate system.

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Thanks, I hope it will run well on my moderate system.

I'm using a 2016 model i7 - it never exceeded about 5-10% CPU usage.

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Originally Posted by bsntn99
I'll give my thoughts on Noire since I just picked this up. After playing around with it for a few days, this is going to be one of my top piano vsts alongside Grandeur and Ravenscroft. If you like Grandeur, then it plays very similar. The sound out of the box is a little flat and the releases too loud. I turned down the releases and increased the brightness a bit with the color knob. I also added some of the sub to give a little more oomph to the lower octaves.

The sound is a little more diffuse than Grandeur and better suits slower more emotive pieces. The mapping and velocity curve are very smooth, no notes stick out to my ears. The release tails are a bit longer than these other pianos which also lends to being less suited for fast technical pieces. I will say the release tails though are not as long as with Garritan CFX or Embertone which is one the reasons I avoid these vsts. Embertone in particular has very long release tails, more than double that of the Grandeur or Ravenscroft, such with fast passages the notes tend to blend together and you do not get good note separation.

Half pedaling works very well with Noire; however, will note like the Grandeur it only works when you press the pedal first before striking a note. If you strike a note first and then press the pedal, you do not get half pedaling. Not a deal breaker for me and I don't notice this with my playing.

Repedal only works as catch repedaling. That is, if you hit a note or chord, release the keys, and then quickly engage the pedal, it will catch the sustain at a lower volume. I do find the volume with this to be a little lower than I prefer. I will see if I can tweak this in the script. It will not repedal if you press the sustain pedal, hit and release keys, and then quickly go off and back on the sustain pedal. Again, I don't notice this with my playing style.

The particle engine is fun to play around with, but the default settings create too much chaos. I found I really needed to turn down all the settings to get something engaging. There is a slider that lets you select how much of this is blended with the piano sound. At one point, I moved the slider to only play the particles and used it with other vsts loaded into Kontakt, including the Grandeur. So it is flexible on how you can use it to enhance your playing or for sound design.

The big bonus for me is the felt piano. I have other felt pianos, but they always present too much mechanical noise because of the muted hammer strikes. With Noire, the mechanical noise is very suppressed and the color knob gives a wide variety of tonal presentations. You can use this on its own or blend it with the regular piano by loading both into Kontakt.

In summary, Noire is exceptionally smooth and suites slower more emotive pieces. I find nothing that distracts. Dynamic range is acceptable to me, but does not hit the extremes, particularly at fff - note most piano vsts don't. It has the most variety of controls to alter the sound I have seen and is a very good value with the added particle engine and felt piano included at the sale price. I would recommend this as a first piano vst unless you need something for fast technical work. Then, I would go with Grandeur/Vintage D, Ravenscroft (also good for jazz styles), or Garritan CFX with the best playability. Note I do not have the Ivorys or VSL pianos which also get fairly positive reviews.


Thanks for your thoughts - an honest, valuable and informed review which is often hard to find!


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Just found Ravenscroft 275 for 50% off for $87!

https://vstbuzz.com/deals/50-off-ravenscroft-275-by-vi-labs/

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Originally Posted by OmniaAequalis
Just found Ravenscroft 275 for 50% off for $87!

https://vstbuzz.com/deals/50-off-ravenscroft-275-by-vi-labs/


It's from previous year..


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https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Synchron_Pianos_Bundle/Concert_D#!Product_Info


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Originally Posted by OmniaAequalis
Just found Ravenscroft 275 for 50% off for $87!

https://vstbuzz.com/deals/50-off-ravenscroft-275-by-vi-labs/


It's from previous year..

Cr*p... My apologies.

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Originally Posted by bsntn99
In summary, Noire is exceptionally smooth and suites slower more emotive pieces. I find nothing that distracts. Dynamic range is acceptable to me, but does not hit the extremes, particularly at fff - note most piano vsts don't. It has the most variety of controls to alter the sound I have seen and is a very good value with the added particle engine and felt piano included at the sale price. I would recommend this as a first piano vst unless you need something for fast technical work. Then, I would go with Grandeur/Vintage D, Ravenscroft (also good for jazz styles), or Garritan CFX with the best playability. Note I do not have the Ivorys or VSL pianos which also get fairly positive reviews.

Galaxy Vintage D at $83 by BestService and some other sites. We see this for $139 at various sites also.

https://www.bestservice.com/galaxy_vintage_d.html

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Wavesfactory Mercury (Fazioli grand) on sale @ 50% OFF.

€75.00 for Full version which runs in the Free Kontakt Player, and €29.00 for the Lite version which requires the full version of Kontakt (ie. it will time out after 15 minutes in the Free Kontakt Player).

Here's a thread over at VI Control:

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/wavesfactorys-mercury-piano.57434/post-4017770

PS: I provided a demo & testimonial for the piano, but happily paid for the Lite version before that. I'm just about to upgrade to the Full version.

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Roli Seaboards on offer for those looking for "alternative" controllers

Seaboard Block 24 keys--- $350 >>$245
Seaboard Rise 25 keys---- $850 >>$595
Seaboard Rise 48 keys--- $1200 >>$960

https://roli.com/campaign/black-friday-deals

The Block is smaller than the rise. Comparison tables and opinions follow

https://support.roli.com/support/solutions/articles/36000019186-seaboard-block-and-rise-compared
https://www.reddit.com/r/ROLI/comments/6p40xy/seaboard_block_or_rise_25_which_is_right_for_me/

EDIT - they are in a bit of a cash crunch so that might impact development or delivery. Buyer beware
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technol...t-up-roli-faces-cash-crunch-5m-debt/amp/

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Originally Posted by Craig Richards
Wavesfactory Mercury (Fazioli grand) on sale @ 50% OFF.

€75.00 for Full version which runs in the Free Kontakt Player, and €29.00 for the Lite version which requires the full version of Kontakt (ie. it will time out after 15 minutes in the Free Kontakt Player).

Here's a thread over at VI Control:

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/wavesfactorys-mercury-piano.57434/post-4017770

PS: I provided a demo & testimonial for the piano, but happily paid for the Lite version before that. I'm just about to upgrade to the Full version.


That's 75 & 29 euro (not sure what happened with the euro dollar symbol in my post).


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Originally Posted by Craig Richards
Wavesfactory Mercury (Fazioli grand) on sale @ 50% OFF.

€75.00 for Full version which runs in the Free Kontakt Player, and €29.00 for the Lite version which requires the full version of Kontakt (ie. it will time out after 15 minutes in the Free Kontakt Player).

Here's a thread over at VI Control:

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/wavesfactorys-mercury-piano.57434/post-4017770

PS: I provided a demo & testimonial for the piano, but happily paid for the Lite version before that. I'm just about to upgrade to the Full version.


Craig, as you upgrade it means you consider this vst to be a good one? A top vst? Good for live playing?

Thanks

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Craig, as you upgrade it means you consider this vst to be a good one? A top vst? Good for live playing?

Thanks


I bought the Lite version back in April 2017, and really enjoyed the "presence" and clarity of the piano, but due to the one stereo mic mix in the Lite version, I found it a bit limiting in tweaking the sound to my liking. I was always curious about the Full version, which gives you mixing control over 5 sets of mics plus additional RR samples, so when the Black Friday sale came up I grabbed it.

So glad I did - the full version is fantastic, especially the Ultraclose mic set which gives you a very full, present sound which reminds me of grands pianos I've played in recording studios. Really good for live playing if your computer/hard drive specs are up to it, and incredibly flexible as a production piano with the ability to shape the tone & depth with the 5 mic sets & built in FX. I highly recommend it.


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Originally Posted by Craig Richards
Wavesfactory Mercury (Fazioli grand) on sale @ 50% OFF.

€75.00 for Full version which runs in the Free Kontakt Player, and €29.00 for the Lite version which requires the full version of Kontakt (ie. it will time out after 15 minutes in the Free Kontakt Player).

Here's a thread over at VI Control:

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/wavesfactorys-mercury-piano.57434/post-4017770

PS: I provided a demo & testimonial for the piano, but happily paid for the Lite version before that. I'm just about to upgrade to the Full version.

You bloody ripper!

Thanks for that, now I know what to buy got my birthday present smile

Bohemian Rhapsody here I come!
And the Red Dwarf theme tune!

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This may be a silly question, but: is Wavesfactory Mercury the same as Waves Grand Rhapsody? Both seem to be sampled from a Fazioli F-228 at Metropolis Studios.


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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
This may be a silly question, but: is Wavesfactory Mercury the same as Waves Grand Rhapsody? Both seem to be sampled from a Fazioli F-228 at Metropolis Studios.

Does that one work on Kontact player? Or does it require Kontakt full version?

Scratch that: the user manual states that it works as standalone software.

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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
This may be a silly question, but: is Wavesfactory Mercury the same as Waves Grand Rhapsody? Both seem to be sampled from a Fazioli F-228 at Metropolis Studios.

I think the difference is - Mercury is Freddie Mercury's actual personal piano, whereas the other one is not.
Could also be sampling and layer differences in the recordings.
Mercury is about 34Gb.

But for $29 that other one is perfect for a first time VST buyer.
It's hard to go wrong with a Fazioli smile

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I own Waves Grand Rhapsody and I cannot recommend it. Apart from the piano itself, Waves licensing mechnism is very problematic.


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I own Waves Grand Rhapsody and I cannot recommend it. Apart from the piano itself, Waves licensing mechnism is very problematic.

Is the sampling no good?

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I own Waves Grand Rhapsody and I cannot recommend it. Apart from the piano itself, Waves licensing mechnism is very problematic.

I think when you make such a statement, it is important to explain what is problematic because what is problematic to you may not be problematic to others.


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I own Waves Grand Rhapsody and I cannot recommend it.

I tryied demo version of this piano and also I can't recommend it, especially in not equal layers in "p" and "pp" dynamic. There are my testing samples of this piano:
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I own Waves Grand Rhapsody and I cannot recommend it. Apart from the piano itself, Waves licensing mechnism is very problematic.

Is the sampling no good?

Sampling is OK, but not on the level of other products. I would rate Garritan, Ivory, Ravenscroft or even Pianoteq much much higher.

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I own Waves Grand Rhapsody and I cannot recommend it. Apart from the piano itself, Waves licensing mechnism is very problematic.

I think when you make such a statement, it is important to explain what is problematic because what is problematic to you may not be problematic to others.

I downloaded, installed and activated Waves Central (which is necessary to activate any Waves VST) on one laptop, in which I did not exchange a single thing, nor hardware, nor software. After one week of usage, when I tried to open Grand Rhapsody standalone, it showed "no licence" pop-up and in Waves Central my C: drive, on which I installed software was shown as disconnected. It occurs Waves takes the MAC address of your network card as an ID of your machine, so if you switch to using another one (eg. LAN instead of WIFI adapter), your device is listed as unauthorized. I "repaired" the issue by a little hack to overwrite my MAC address and it was working OK for another few weeks. Then 'no valid license' error occured again (I was still using the same network card). When I started Waves Central it forced me to update it before I start. After this I had to activate Grand Rhapsody again, but prior to that I had to de-activate it from previous device (?!), but it was still the same laptop with exactly the same configuration.

I had never such problems with other VSTs.

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During this Black Friday weekend (Nov 28-Dec 1) we are offering:

Pianoteq PRO and Studio bundle 25% off
Pianoteq Studio Bundle 25% off
Organteq 10% off

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Pianoteq BF offers are here!

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Black Friday promotional offer

During this Black Friday weekend (Nov 28-Dec 1) we are offering:

Pianoteq PRO and Studio bundle 25% off
Pianoteq Studio Bundle 25% off
Organteq 10% off


Meh...

I understand pianoteq stage is cheap enough, but i was hoping for a discount on the standard version.

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Pianoteq BF offers are here!

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Black Friday promotional offer

During this Black Friday weekend (Nov 28-Dec 1) we are offering:

Pianoteq PRO and Studio bundle 25% off
Pianoteq Studio Bundle 25% off
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Some upgrade also get a 25% discount as I just found out. I just utilized this deal to upgrade my STANDARD to PRO a few mins ago. Thanks for letting us know!


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Is that the full version?

Well, 20% off. Anyone think there will be a better Black Friday deal on Garritan CFX coming?

Is the Sweetwater deal still the best one on Garritan CFX?


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Originally Posted by U3piano

Meh...

I understand pianoteq stage is cheap enough, but i was hoping for a discount on the standard version.


My sentiments exactly. They already did a discount on the Pro version back this summer, and getting two further instruments included in the Pro version (beyond the Stage version) is not all that interesting, given that all the instruments sound very similar.


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Meh...

I understand pianoteq stage is cheap enough, but i was hoping for a discount on the standard version.
My sentiments exactly. They already did a discount on the Pro version back this summer, and getting two further instruments included in the Pro version (beyond the Stage version) is not all that interesting, given that all the instruments sound very similar.

I guess it depends on the user. An upgrade of STAGE wouldn't have helped me since I already had STANDARD.

But it is strange that their special discount was only to Pro and Pro Bundle. Doesn't see fair for people who didn't already have STANDARD.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Some upgrade also get a 25% discount as I just found out. I just utilized this deal to upgrade my STANDARD to PRO a few mins ago. Thanks for letting us know!


I did too. I really wanted to upgrade for a while now, but found the price a bit high. I wanted to add 2 instruments as well so this was a great price for me: Stage to Pro + 2 instruments for $180.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I guess it depends on the user. An upgrade of STAGE wouldn't have helped me since I already had STANDARD.

But it is strange that their special discount was only to Pro and Pro Bundle. Doesn't see fair for people who didn't already have STANDARD.


It works for those who want to upgrade to Pro from Stage, but those who just want to upgrade to Standard are not invited to the party.


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I just utilized this deal to upgrade my STANDARD to PRO a few mins ago. Thanks for letting us know!


Congratulations!

Did you pick all your instruments from scratch or just added new one?
Read in one of the threads on PW that you are allowed to choose all your instruments as if you newly buy PRO. I'd like to get rid of my K2 and pick another instrument...


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I just utilized this deal to upgrade my STANDARD to PRO a few mins ago. Thanks for letting us know!
Congratulations!

Did you pick all your instruments from scratch or just added new one?
Read in one of the threads on PW that you are allowed to choose all your instruments as if you newly buy PRO. I'd like to get rid of my K2 and pick another instrument...

Unfortunately, though I had read the same thing on PW, the reality is that the system only allows picking only one more instrument (it was already at STANDARD). Perhaps though If you contact customer support, they will fix this and allow you to re-pick. If you open a support ticket and get a positive response, let us know! I too have a useless K2 sick (and useless Steinway D sick ).


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SoniVox 88 Ensemble for $15.

http://store.dontcrack.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=120&products_id=2604

I'd never heard of this site (DontCrack) but for $15 I figured I'd risk it (on Paypal) - upgraded my expired free trial version (2-week license) and it worked.

Make sure you choose the correct platform way at the bottom of the order form (although I don't know if it makes any difference).

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This may be a silly question, but: is Wavesfactory Mercury the same as Waves Grand Rhapsody? Both seem to be sampled from a Fazioli F-228 at Metropolis Studios.

Yes, both are sampled from Freddie Mercury's Fazioli F-228, though they are quite different. I'm one of those who got the Waves Grand Rhapsody at 29 euros (or dollars, don't remember).

Though I got it to work, I didn't like it at all, and off my SSD it went after a few days.

The below video is a great comparison of both of the Metropolis Fazioli piano samples.

Turns out Waves Grand Rhapsody contains no release samples, so it is quite inferior to the Wavesfactory version.

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Time and space in the UK have Synthogy Ivory II Italian and American Concert D Grands on sale for 25% and 28% discount.

No discount on Garritan CFX.

Garritan CFX is really expensive. Would the lite version with only the close miked samples be good enough for personal use, or are the player and audience samples significant.

I don’t know enough to appreciate what you get from the different samples. Is the difference significant or are differences subtle?

I have listened to quite a few recordings of the Synthogy American Grand II but in the end felt they missed something. It was rach3master’s recordings that convinced me of Garritan CFX.

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I had the Waves Rhapsody and deleted it after a month, because of it’s many flaws.
But i did like the Fazioli sound.....i remember how i was tempted to buy the Wavesfactory Mercury , but bought the Ravenscroft instead afyer reading to many glowing reviews and personal observations online.
Well it turned out i absolutely felt lukewarm about it in every thinkable way from whatever mic perspective or combination.
I have bought my share of ‘never used’ vst’s over the years, thus deleted many after a while to save disc space.
Still regret buying the Ravenscroft and Hammersmith Pro,.....in a way both gave me even less satisfaction than the very limited Waves Mercury , because i did like the Fazioli grand that was sampled contrary to both the former examples.

Fast forward, i just bought the Wavesfactory Mercury full for €75,- on ‘black friday’ ....looking forward to have a piano vst that gives me something ‘ different’ .
I only play the Garritan CFX and Embertone ( like them both very much ) and occasionally pianoteq for the feel ( althaugh i am developing a clear dislike for it’s tonal character lately).

I really hope the Wavesfactory Mercury will be a positive surprise this time around adding another flavour.

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I've had Waves Rhapsody and Wavesfactory Mercury. Rhapsody was a sonic disaster. Very flat sounding at best and I could not find any settings that gave me some enjoyment. It sounded to me like some of the samples were mixed up between mic positions. Even if it were free, I would not want this on my computer.

Mercury was just ok. I did find some unevenness that caused distraction and also came across a bit flat at times. The latency in the samples, that is the time from when you press a key and the sound starts, is quite large. To remedy this you have to adjust the sample start to about the midpoint. Adjust it until you start to hear clicks at the start and then back off a bit. When you engage the HQ mode, the latency triples and cpu demand goes up. This came off my system a long time ago as I couldn't get along with the overall sound. Neither of these offers half or repedaling.

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Pianoteq BF offers are here!

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Black Friday promotional offer

During this Black Friday weekend (Nov 28-Dec 1) we are offering:

Pianoteq PRO and Studio bundle 25% off
Pianoteq Studio Bundle 25% off
Organteq 10% off

Thank you for that info.
I already purchased Pianoteq 6 PRO with 25% discount and also I used 20€ value coupon for participating of Pianoteq Video Contest 2019, which gave me finally price €256.75.
I've chosen: Petrof, Steinway B, Grotrian and Electric.


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Ravenscroft 275 $199 >>>$149

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Originally Posted by bsntn99
I've had Waves Rhapsody and Wavesfactory Mercury. Rhapsody was a sonic disaster. Very flat sounding at best and I could not find any settings that gave me some enjoyment. It sounded to me like some of the samples were mixed up between mic positions. Even if it were free, I would not want this on my computer.

Mercury was just ok. I did find some unevenness that caused distraction and also came across a bit flat at times. The latency in the samples, that is the time from when you press a key and the sound starts, is quite large. To remedy this you have to adjust the sample start to about the midpoint. Adjust it until you start to hear clicks at the start and then back off a bit. When you engage the HQ mode, the latency triples and cpu demand goes up. This came off my system a long time ago as I couldn't get along with the overall sound. Neither of these offers half or repedaling.

Well all of a sudden i have second thoughts about my purchase.....but thanks anyway for your honest opinion.and recommendations.
I don’t think Mercury on HQ will stress my system that much and for the rest i’ll have to wait.
I am still waiting for download codes .....

I will not use it for solo piano but a different recording flavour that adds some different color.
Personally i engage with modern top grands on a regular basis and althaugh they are surely super all rounders
With thunderous bass register, cristal clear upper harmonics and superb dynamics and an even better keybed they give me a tiny bit underwhelming overall impression.

Most end up sounding quite similar and with less character than ithey use to have to distinguish their brand.
VSL has perfectly captured that modern sound and ability i must say and both Garritan CFX and Noire (NI) have this specific allround qualities too.
And Bechstein vst has a way to modern sound that has nothing in common with the hundreds of character Bechsteins i personally encountered.
Since the Walker 1955 i am swayed in the opposite direction ...... and if not for their supposed dreadfull playability i would consider imperfect samples too....
I Personally like the top grand piano’s from 30 - 80 years ago better than most of their modern equivalents.

Really hope Mercury will work out for me.... spend to much money on the wrong vst’s for far to long.anyway..


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I'll give my thoughts on Noire since I just picked this up. After playing around with it for a few days, this is going to be one of my top piano vsts alongside Grandeur and Ravenscroft. If you like Grandeur, then it plays very similar. The sound out of the box is a little flat and the releases too loud. I turned down the releases and increased the brightness a bit with the color knob. I also added some of the sub to give a little more oomph to the lower octaves.

The sound is a little more diffuse than Grandeur and better suits slower more emotive pieces. The mapping and velocity curve are very smooth, no notes stick out to my ears. The release tails are a bit longer than these other pianos which also lends to being less suited for fast technical pieces. I will say the release tails though are not as long as with Garritan CFX or Embertone which is one the reasons I avoid these vsts. Embertone in particular has very long release tails, more than double that of the Grandeur or Ravenscroft, such with fast passages the notes tend to blend together and you do not get good note separation.

Half pedaling works very well with Noire; however, will note like the Grandeur it only works when you press the pedal first before striking a note. If you strike a note first and then press the pedal, you do not get half pedaling. Not a deal breaker for me and I don't notice this with my playing.

Repedal only works as catch repedaling. That is, if you hit a note or chord, release the keys, and then quickly engage the pedal, it will catch the sustain at a lower volume. I do find the volume with this to be a little lower than I prefer. I will see if I can tweak this in the script. It will not repedal if you press the sustain pedal, hit and release keys, and then quickly go off and back on the sustain pedal. Again, I don't notice this with my playing style.

The particle engine is fun to play around with, but the default settings create too much chaos. I found I really needed to turn down all the settings to get something engaging. There is a slider that lets you select how much of this is blended with the piano sound. At one point, I moved the slider to only play the particles and used it with other vsts loaded into Kontakt, including the Grandeur. So it is flexible on how you can use it to enhance your playing or for sound design.

The big bonus for me is the felt piano. I have other felt pianos, but they always present too much mechanical noise because of the muted hammer strikes. With Noire, the mechanical noise is very suppressed and the color knob gives a wide variety of tonal presentations. You can use this on its own or blend it with the regular piano by loading both into Kontakt.

In summary, Noire is exceptionally smooth and suites slower more emotive pieces. I find nothing that distracts. Dynamic range is acceptable to me, but does not hit the extremes, particularly at fff - note most piano vsts don't. It has the most variety of controls to alter the sound I have seen and is a very good value with the added particle engine and felt piano included at the sale price. I would recommend this as a first piano vst unless you need something for fast technical work. Then, I would go with Grandeur/Vintage D, Ravenscroft (also good for jazz styles), or Garritan CFX with the best playability. Note I do not have the Ivorys or VSL pianos which also get fairly positive reviews.



Thank you for this precious review of Noire.
Do you think this Noire gives something more or better than the Grandeur, sound or playability wise?

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Decided to go for Ivory II American Concert D from Time and Space since it was on special. Currently libraries are downloading. So far 30GB downloaded.

I also bought Garritan CFX light at the same time. No special on that one or the full version. Still waiting for download links and serial for that.

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Decided to go for Ivory II American Concert D from Time and Space since it was on special. Currently libraries are downloading. So far 30GB downloaded.

I also bought Garritan CFX light at the same time. No special on that one or the full version. Still waiting for download links and serial for that.


There is a special on Garritan. See above thread (I posted a comment on it above - you have to buy from a reseller).


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Finished my birthday Friday shopping spree:
Noire
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Ableton Live 10 Intro (USD $19)

Warning Mercury Pro requires 34Gb space + 34Gb for the compressed files - so allow 70Gb free space before you embark on a very long installation process.

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Embertone 1955 Concert D, maybe today only.

Note that Embertone released a major update this autumn which reportedly resolved a lot of the issues with early revisions. There are recent posts on that update at PianoWorld forums.

Walker Light $39 >> $10
Main version $99 >> $69
Main version all mics $149 >>$105

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Is Synthogy american concert D a download, or does it come as a package?

Im thinking of buying it.

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Embertone 1955 Concert D, maybe today only.

Note that Embertone released a major update this autumn which reportedly resolved a lot of the issues with early revisions. There are recent posts on that update at PianoWorld forums.

Walker Light $39 >> $10
Main version $99 >> $69
Main version all mics $149 >>$105

https://www.embertone.com/

Does the all mics version include mics such as the binaural head mics?


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Originally Posted by Burkie
Warning Mercury Pro requires 34Gb space + 34Gb for the compressed files - so allow 70Gb free space before you embark on a very long installation process.

You can also download it to a HDD, and install to the SSD from the hard (spinning) disk drive. Then you only need space for the installed library.

Though I'd recommend at least 50GB of free space for a 34GB library, since the Mercury Pro supposedly has to decompress the compressed files.


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Is the USB-eLicenser for Cubase the same as the dongle for VSL?


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I have one dongle for both.

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(And the Vienna Key is made by eLincensor, but the specific naming doesn’t make sure the Vienna key can be used with Cubase, but I suppose it does).

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I have one dongle for both.

According to VSL :

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(And the Vienna Key is made by eLincensor, but the specific naming doesn’t make sure the Vienna key can be used with Cubase, but I suppose it does).

Well, I bought the VSL dongle not realizing I needed one for Cubase. Do you think the VSL one will work with Cubase? Or is only the Steinberg one, universal?


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Has anyone seen any Black Friday deals for Cubase? I see some other Steinberg deals, but nothing for Cubase in particular.


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I have bought a «Steinberg key » : https://m.thomann.de/fr/steinberg_key.htm and used it without trouble with VSL.

I suppose the reverse (Vienna key with Cubase) would work but never tried it.

The software (eLicensor Control Center), is generic and would surely work without differences with both keys and support both software.


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I have bought a «Steinberg key » : https://m.thomann.de/fr/steinberg_key.htm and used it without trouble with VSL.

I suppose the reverse (Vienna key with Cubase) would work but never tried it.

The software (eLicensor Control Center), is generic and would surely work without differences with both keys and support both software.

OK. I will buy Cubase without the key and if it doesn't work with the VSL key, I'll just get the Steinberg Key later. No rush.

In fact, come to think of it, if there is no Black Friday sale, perhaps I should just wait on the Cubase.


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[quote=Frédéric L]I have bought a «Steinberg key » : https://m.thomann.de/fr/steinberg_key.htm and used it without trouble with VSL.

I suppose the reverse (Vienna key with Cubase) would work but never tried it.
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It should work. They seem to use cubase for rendering files.
Anyways - while the product sounds really great, I don't think any digital piano except some of the Yamaha Enspire series could properly fill the whole MIDI range for expression. You can tweak a little, but it will be off.

In the end - it's all but a illusion for the real thing, and Yamahas technology is very expensive. And at that price point, you can have a small accoustic...

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Enspire or Disklavier will have un upper limit.

See p6 https://iwk.mdw.ac.at/goebl/papers/Goebl-Bresin_ JASA2003_reproAccuracy.pdf the reproduction is limited. (3m/s on a Yamaha Disklavier, 5.5m/s on a Bösendorfer Stahnke Electronics) It the same with virtual pianos but the limit could be something different.

The Vienna Imperial Grand (VSL) was recorded with a CEUS system, then I suppose the 127 MIDI value trigger what is played at the highest velocity of the CEUS. I don’t know how CEUS compares with Disklavier or Stahnke Electronics.

Afterward, VSL recorded other pianos : Steinway (with a specific robot system), Yamaha (Disklavier Enspire)... then we may have the full range of thes reproduction system.


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Does anyone have an opinion on how the embertone walker compares to the ivory American concert D?

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I am liking the sound of the Ivory II American Concert D. I still need to play with settings.

Getting my first VST up and running has been a bit frustrating. Too many different things have to be just right before anything works. Then there was getting it to work in GarageBand which was another painful procedure.

Why Synthogy thought that putting the documentation in the same folder you set for the piano samples I don’t know. I spent ages playing with stuff thinking there was no manual until I hit another block and just emailed Synthogy support. At least they responded fairly quickly.

Still waiting on Garritan to provide download links and serial.

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OK. I will buy Cubase without the key and if it doesn't work with the VSL key, I'll just get the Steinberg Key later. No rush.


When you buy Cubase or a VSL instrument, just paste the serial number into the control centre with the eLicenser key attached. I don't know if there's a limit on the number of licenses it can hold, but it can certainly hold lots of them.

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My Christmas purchases for myself that I just made on Black Friday, all on sale:
  • Pianoteq PRO upgrade (from STANDARD) + 1 more instrument
  • Garritan CFX full
  • Embertone Walker Concert D w/ all mics
  • Galaxy Vintage D full
  • Ivory II American Concert D full + Halls of Fame 3 EVEN T 2016 full
  • Noire
  • Wavesfactory Mercury + iZotope Nectar Elements
  • KONTAKT 6 Crossgrade
  • LiquidSonics Illusion (convolution reverb)
  • Piano Marvel annual subscription (for daughter)

Only other thing I wanted was Cubase Pro, but there was no Black Friday sale on it so I decided to wait and see if it will go on sale before the end of the year.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
My Christmas purchases for myself that I just made on Black Friday, all on sale:
  • Pianoteq PRO upgrade (from STANDARD) + 1 more instrument
  • Garritan CFX full
  • Embertone Walker Concert D w/ all mics
  • Galaxy Vintage D full
  • Ivory II American Concert D full + Halls of Fame 3 EVEN T 2016 full
  • Noire
  • Wavesfactory Mercury + iZotope Nectar Elements
  • KONTAKT 6 Crossgrade
  • LiquidSonics Illusion (convolution reverb)
  • Piano Marvel annual subscription (for daughter)

Only other thing I wanted was Cubase Pro, but there was no Black Friday sale on it so I decided to wait and see if it will go on sale before the end of the year.


Merry Christmas, nice list! laugh

Here's my list of black friday gifts to myself:

- Ivory II American Concert D

grin I ordered the boxed version, can't wait to try it!

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I have bought a «Steinberg key » : https://m.thomann.de/fr/steinberg_key.htm and used it without trouble with VSL.

I suppose the reverse (Vienna key with Cubase) would work but never tried it.

The software (eLicensor Control Center), is generic and would surely work without differences with both keys and support both software.


I did exactly the same yesterday! Using a dongle is a bit of a hassle, but it does work. Did you manage to back-up your VSL license to your Steinberg account, or is that only supported for Steinberg products?

Bought VSL Big Bang Orchestra Andromeda. What a beautiful sounding orchestra for the money! Very pleased about that!!!

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Wow Tyrone. I bought 2 as I mentioned above. I don’t think I could properly get my ears around so many instruments. I think I would just get lost as to what I liked and didn’t like about each with so many. I would probably try and restrict myself to playing with no more than 2 in any one month.

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What's that? confused

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What's that? confused

Something free the seller wanted me to pick. I'm sure it's completely useless!


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Wow Tyrone. I bought 2 as I mentioned above. I don’t think I could properly get my ears around so many instruments. I think I would just get lost as to what I liked and didn’t like about each with so many. I would probably try and restrict myself to playing with no more than 2 in any one month.

Between these and the 3 VSL Synchron pianos, I'm pretty sure I have committed all or almost all of the 3TB SSD storage on my DAW now. I just need to wait until the DAW actually arrives and I can start downloading this stuff. Even on my fast Internet connection, I'm guessing it will take a few days to download all of this.


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Wow Tyrone. I bought 2 as I mentioned above. I don’t think I could properly get my ears around so many instruments. I think I would just get lost as to what I liked and didn’t like about each with so many. I would probably try and restrict myself to playing with no more than 2 in any one month.

Between these and the 3 VSL Synchron pianos, I'm pretty sure I have committed all or almost all of the 3TB SSD storage on my DAW now. I just need to wait until the DAW actually arrives and I can start downloading this stuff. Even on my fast Internet connection, I'm guessing it will take a few days to download all of this.


You are going to have some fun over the next few months. I suspect you will fall into one go-to sound after a while.... the others will be for change up. Keep us informed of your journey. I have a recommendation: Keep your fridge filled with Pilsner Urquells.... that is one fun-enhancer as you plow through all of this.

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I have a recommendation: Keep your fridge filled with Pilsner Urquells.... that is one fun-enhancer as you plow through all of this.

That's one of my favorite beers! The Czech brew a might fine beer! thumb


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Got the Production Voices Concert Grand LE for a good price. Downloading now, 77GB. sick

PV is using some service, Pulse Downloader, for delivering the Concert Grand, which requires me to download the instrument at one time.

Wish it were possible to download in chunks, because the program says it takes at least five hours. That's how I downloaded Production Grand Gold 2.

I've long since grown tired of these huge libraries, but the Concert Grand sounds very pretty, I'll have to say.

Will try running it on an external SSD, USB connected. If it doesn't run without problems that way, I'll see if I have a free SATA port, or finally set up my new computer!


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Native Instruments Kontakt 6 Full (crossgrade) is on deep discount to $124.50 until 9 december. Regular price is $399. NI has several sales per year but this is as good as I have seen.

You must have qualifying instrument. The Free Embertone Arcana qualified for crossgrade for me. Details, instructions and link is at CakeWalk forum

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/9197-full-kontakt-6-for-as-little-as-12450/

FYI - this old page gives an idea of what instruments are included in Kontakt 6 (55GB of content and >1000 sounds)

https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/instruments-in-kontakt-5-factory-library.198873/

EDIT - then one could upgrade to Komplete 12 for $199 (regular upgrade price is $399 and regular price is $599). That gives more instruments...

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/bundles/komplete-12/compare/

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The 1920s "Dark Grand Piano" for Full Kontakt is $9.99 at KVR until 31 December (currently $29.99 on the company website).

https://www.kvraudio.com/marketplace/dark-grand-piano-for-kontakt-by-dark-silence-sound-design

https://www.darksilencesounddesign.com/darkgrandpiano

"The dark grand piano will breathe excellence right into your project with 150 piano style presets to choose from! A true one of a kind powerful simplistic digital piano instrument. This is the piano instrument you have been dreaming about!

The dark grand is a 85-key grand piano from the early 1920's. Recorded using special mic methods to really capture the character and essence of this grand piano.

Ranging from cinema style pianos to scary spooky distant tones to warm grand piano sounds to out of this world piano sounds etc.

This piano instrument is geared towards the new artist or the advanced pianist. The simplicity in the one page GUI design of the dark grand is really where it shines!

Giving you the controls you need and access to them right away. We created the dark grand for anyone who desires that lush warm vibrant grand piano sound or that dark erie tone.

Recording or playing live the dark grand piano delivers visually and sonically!

The dark grand and it’s ease of use make it easy for anyone of any age to start playing. Whether you are a regular piano player or it is your first time behind the keys.

The dark grand makes it incredibly simple to get an amazing piano sound into your project within seconds!

KONTAKT 5.7+ REQUIRED TO USE • WILL RUN IN DEMO MODE WITH KONTAKT PLAYER!"


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Sorry to say but the demo doesn't live up to the advertising blurb. Sounds like a piano patch from a 80's era Casio.


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Sorry to say but the demo doesn't live up to the advertising blurb. Sounds like a piano patch from a 80's era Casio.

I always assume that a company has copies of the competing piano vst’s in the market. In case they realise others have done a much better job, they still go full stops on their market gibberish to dupe the average buyer anyway. I am sure they are not tone deaf themselves.

However the crown goes to the hardware digital piano market..... they know how to sell their mediocre products like no other from day one.
I remember Ray Kurzweil in an interview when the host asked him if Ray’s somehow pre-recorded all those instruments in the K250 ?
He responded with a clear NO ! This machine (K250) calculates all instrument’s specific behaviour.
Yes he really said something like that...... but we didn’t know about sampling in the early eightties.
If he said .... yes we recorded a few piano notes, digitalised the recordings, streched the heck out of them so that one very short recording is used for at least 5 half tones and some clever filtering gives the impression of soft-loud , because we only recorded one single key on medium velocity for half a second.
Only then when we have at least 1 Mb of sample memory we can record a soft-medium-loud tone .
We will call it triple strike and will sell it for a decade and a half as the pinnacle of piano sampling.

It is super/hyper natural grin for companies to deceive the masses .

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Lol, well explained Pianistje.

I bought just one digital piano in my life, the Yamaha CP33. I bought it blind, and the first thing i noticed when i got it was it's terriblly disappointing internal piano sound. Luckily i bought it primarily for the action.


I'm really enjoying Synthogy's American D i just bought, I think it's about time one of the big brands puts something like that in their digital piano's.

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However the crown goes to the hardware digital piano market..... they know how to sell their mediocre products like no other from day one.
I remember Ray Kurzweil in an interview when the host asked him if Ray’s somehow pre-recorded all those instruments in the K250 ?
He responded with a clear NO ! This machine (K250) calculates all instrument’s specific behaviour.
Yes he really said something like that...... but we didn’t know about sampling in the early eightties.
If he said .... yes we recorded a few piano notes, digitalised the recordings, streched the heck out of them so that one very short recording is used for at least 5 half tones and some clever filtering gives the impression of soft-loud , because we only recorded one single key on medium velocity for half a second.
Only then when we have at least 1 Mb of sample memory we can record a soft-medium-loud tone .
We will call it triple strike and will sell it for a decade and a half as the pinnacle of piano sampling.

It is super/hyper natural grin for companies to deceive the masses.

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It didn’t hurt that Kurzweil was called the Steinway of digitals, and truth be told, the ‘triple strike’ was not half bad (warts and all) considering what was available at the time.

Now, still touting the ‘triple strike’ as an award-winning tech fifteen years later, and charging accordingly, came back to bite them in the a$$! They’ve been trying to pick up the pieces ever since.

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Thanks, I hope it will run well on my moderate system.

I'm using a 2016 model i7 - it never exceeded about 5-10% CPU usage.


Yesterday, I bought Noire on the last day of the sale. I have an even older model i7 however it turns out Noire and Kontakt 6 player run very smooth.
I have also installed Reaper to be able to make recordings and also that works well. Noire is indeed very suitable for emotive pieces as mentioned in this thread and the particle engine is fun to play with. The only thing I struggle a bit with is which settings to use for the velocity curve. I think you can only select presets, no options to make your own curve like in most other VST's. I have a Kawai ES8 which I play with normal touch setting. In combination with the standard preset Linear in Noire I find it difficult to trigger the higher velocity samples. I have to use the softest setting on my ES8 and softest setting on Noire to get it a bit right. How are other experiences?

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VI Labs is having a "Holiday 35% off sale (+10% for 2 or more items). Until January 1st"

Ravenscroft 275 $199 >> $129

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Soniccoture Hammersmith sale

Professional Edition
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Standard Edition
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"Requires KONTAKT 5 or [free] KONTAKT 5 PLAYER version 5.5 or later"

http://www.soniccouture.com/en/products/26-percussion/g49-the-hammersmith/

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New VSL Bosendorfer Upright introductory sale & Vienna Voucher sale (3+1 free) discount.

VSL Bosendorfer Upright

Standard Library $183.91 $139.32

Full Library $323.23 $245.21

Requires Vienna Key purchase.

https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Synchron_Package/Bosendorfer_Upright

Vienna Vouchers 3 + 1 free sale (vouchers on sale until 31 December, no expiry date, those need to be used in full in one transaction, etc).

https://www.vsl.co.at/en/News/2019-12_Vienna_Voucher

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Impact SoundWorks Pearl Concert Grand (Yamaha C7)

$119 $79

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Re: Black Friday piano VST deals [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2923630 12/16/19 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Has anyone seen Cubase on sale anywhere?

I have not. I just picked up Steinberg's Iconica Opus (an Orchestral Tools partnership) on 50% discount.

Cubase provides optimal integration with Iconica so I also am on the lookout for Cubase discounts.

You might see Cubase discount offers on their Twitter feed or the cakewalk / vi-control deals threads. Steinberg has an opaque website so maybe their twitter or facebook feeds will alert you.

Re: Black Friday piano VST deals [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2924685 12/19/19 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Has anyone seen Cubase on sale anywhere?

In May 2019 there was a 50% Cubase sale for 30 year celebration.

According to this thread, Cubase sales are typically in late summer and new releases in late autumn.

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=170689

There are some discounts on Cubase now from retailers (Guitar Center has Cubase Artist for $280 ($50 discount).

Re: Black Friday piano VST deals [Re: Grazilerimba] #2924689 12/19/19 11:18 AM
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There are also Cubase cross grade discounts if you own competitor products.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Has anyone seen Cubase on sale anywhere?

In May 2019 there was a 50% Cubase sale for 30 year celebration.

According to this thread, Cubase sales are typically in late summer and new releases in late autumn.

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=170689

There are some discounts on Cubase now from retailers (Guitar Center has Cubase Artist for $280 ($50 discount).

OK, Thanks! I see Guitar Center also has Cubase 10.5 Pro for $80 off.

Too bad. No student discounts though. Also sad I missed the 50% off sale.


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Chocolate Audio - The 88 Series Pianos - Bundle v2. $299 >> $149

"5 of the most realistic and wonderful sounding pianos ever sampled. The 88 Series Pianos bundle features 5 pianos and 7 NKI instrument files for a really expanded set of expressivity under your fingertips. A special upgrade offer is on the way for current Bundle owners."

"This bundle features the following products:
O.D.D. Grand
Model 7 Grand
Model D Grand
Steinbach Upright
Model 80 Electric Grand"

Requires Kontakt Retail (FULL) 5.5.2 or newer

http://www.chocolateaudio.com/products/the-88-series-bundle
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Upgraded pianos to v2 per a newsletter dated 23 February 2018.

Some PianoWorld comments from the v1 pianos here

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...audio-88-series-model-7.html#Post2516543

The ODD is an effects piano as noted in the comments to this demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqAZGp1F2jw

Source of deal
https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/9758-the-88-series-pianos-bundle-for-kontakt/

Re: Black Friday piano VST deals [Re: Grazilerimba] #2925343 12/21/19 09:45 AM
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I got the Steinbach Upright from Chocolate Audio some months back, and it has a unique vintage character, as slobajudge says the Model 7 Grand from the same company has.

Light on resources? Not sure, I had pops and clicks with it, which I did not have with a ten times bigger piano VST, Production Grand 2 Gold.

Therefore I've hardly used it, but I'll see if I can tweak it to behave, when I have some free time to play with the settings (or play the piano for that matter)!

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Native Instruments package deal today for $399:

"KOMPLETE KONTROL S25 Keyboard Controller with KOMPLETE 12. KOMPLETE 12 raises the bar for production, performance and sound design in any genre. It contains more than 50 premium instruments and effects—including KONTAKT 6, TRK-01, and DISCOVERY SERIES: MIDDLE EAST—plus 10 Expansions."

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/stupid

I have seen KOMPLETE for as low as $325 on black friday upgrade path earlier in this thread. But today's deal also provides a decent keyboard for an additional $75; the keyboard action is OK but won't win any prizes lol.

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Sampletekk 90% off sale, ends Monday 13 January

Kontakt (full not free version), HALion, ESX versions available.

Black Grand (Steinway D) $140 >> $14
"The magnificent Steinway D, recorded in a concerthall for the true concert grand experience. Three different perspectives, Close, Ambient and Medium Ambiance gives you tree different instruments to choose from. Incredible 48 samples/note cut's this sampled instrument in a class of it's own."

White Grand $80 >> $8
"SampleTekk proudly presents the White Grand, in our opinion, the best contemporary pop/rock/jazz grand piano in the sampled world today.
We recorded The White Grand with the finest equipment available, using a specially designed digital recording technique to give you unequalled performance and sound.
Prepare to explore a tactile and expressive feast, unparalleled in sampled pianos today.

You get an astonishing 32 different velocity samples, not only layers, but 32 DIFFERENT samples per note, (plus 4 release samples).
This gives you a control over the dynamics that surpasses most of todays existing sampled pianos."

7CG - Yamaha C7 $100 >> $10
"Super detailed multisampled Grand Piano No less then 93 unique samples per recorded note. Over 4400 samples! Incredible sound and response Super realistic playing behaviour One of the most refined sampled piano on the market today."

There is also the TBO, but that seems to be an older VI but maybe related to the 7CG. Not sure.

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/10342-sampletekk-crazy-weekend-90-off-select-products/

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Close to just biting the bullet on Cubase. Best discount so far was the $80 one from Guitar Center, which wasn't something to write home about.


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Sampletekk 90% off sale, ends Monday 13 January

Kontakt (full not free version), HALion, ESX versions available.

Black Grand (Steinway D) $140 >> $14
"The magnificent Steinway D, recorded in a concerthall for the true concert grand experience. Three different perspectives, Close, Ambient and Medium Ambiance gives you tree different instruments to choose from. Incredible 48 samples/note cut's this sampled instrument in a class of it's own."

White Grand $80 >> $8
"SampleTekk proudly presents the White Grand, in our opinion, the best contemporary pop/rock/jazz grand piano in the sampled world today.
We recorded The White Grand with the finest equipment available, using a specially designed digital recording technique to give you unequalled performance and sound.
Prepare to explore a tactile and expressive feast, unparalleled in sampled pianos today.

You get an astonishing 32 different velocity samples, not only layers, but 32 DIFFERENT samples per note, (plus 4 release samples).
This gives you a control over the dynamics that surpasses most of todays existing sampled pianos."

7CG - Yamaha C7 $100 >> $10
"Super detailed multisampled Grand Piano No less then 93 unique samples per recorded note. Over 4400 samples! Incredible sound and response Super realistic playing behaviour One of the most refined sampled piano on the market today."

There is also the TBO, but that seems to be an older VI but maybe related to the 7CG. Not sure.

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/10342-sampletekk-crazy-weekend-90-off-select-products/


Shockingly low pricing ? :-O

How is this even possible ?

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These are very old releases. Such items often go at near-giveaway prices. No surprise.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
These are very old releases. Such items often go at near-giveaway prices. No surprise.

Thanks Mac for the good memory as I don't have any knowledge of release dates. Wouldn't be surprised if you purchased these lol. I did some quick research based on your comments:

The Sampletekk White was released 2004 or earlier.

The Sampletekk Black was released prior to 2006; the samples were reworked in 2012.

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/software-pianos
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/pro...irtual-grand-piano-sampletekk-black.html

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The 7CG and TBO are sampled from the same Yamaha C7, just different microphones. The 7CG is more distant miked, with ambient sound, while the TBO is closer miked, if I'm not mistaken.

Also, Sampletekk Black Grand is on sale, not the Sampletekk Black. The former has three microphone perspectives, but the Black is based on the Black Grand, with refined, fewer samples.

I actually have both, quite like the Black Grand, but not a fan of Black. Might grab the 7CG at this ridiculous price, always been curious about it.

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