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How To Score? #2913778 11/19/19 11:40 AM
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Oh please, it's about how to score music...

Most of the rules I've been taught have exceptions. But, either in scoring a song or as a teaching tool, there is nothing wrong with a score (C major) that has a Bb in one measure and an A# in the very next measure? I mean, you can just do whatever you're in the mood for and let the next person figure it out?

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Re: How To Score? [Re: TomInCinci] #2913784 11/19/19 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Oh please, it's about how to score music...

Most of the rules I've been taught have exceptions. But, either in scoring a song or as a teaching tool, there is nothing wrong with a score (C major) that has a Bb in one measure and an A# in the very next measure? I mean, you can just do whatever you're in the mood for and let the next person figure it out?


There are rules about what accidentals can - and should not - be used in a given tonality. I'm sure someone will respond with details, but I don't think you can (following theory rules) do whatever you wish.

For example - and someone please correct me if I am wrong - if, in the key of C major you are modulating to the subdominant (F major), then a B-flat would not only be appropriate but most likely necessary. An A-sharp would not be correct.

On the other hand, if, in the key of C major, you were writing a rising chromatic passage, I believe that an A-sharp would be appropriate. In a descending chromatic passage, I don't think an A-sharp would be appropriate; it would have to be a B-flat - i think! Much of what is allowed depends on the tonality and on the context.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Oh please, it's about how to score music...

Most of the rules I've been taught have exceptions. But, either in scoring a song or as a teaching tool, there is nothing wrong with a score (C major) that has a Bb in one measure and an A# in the very next measure? I mean, you can just do whatever you're in the mood for and let the next person figure it out?


There are rules about what accidentals can - and should not - be used in a given tonality. I'm sure someone will respond with details, but I don't think you can (following theory rules) do whatever you wish.

For example - and someone please correct me if I am wrong - if, in the key of C major you are modulating to the subdominant (F major), then a B-flat would not only be appropriate but most likely necessary. An A-sharp would not be correct.

On the other hand, if, in the key of C major, you were writing a rising chromatic passage, I believe that an A-sharp would be appropriate. In a descending chromatic passage, I don't think an A-sharp would be appropriate; it would have to be a B-flat - i think! Much of what is allowed depends on the tonality and on the context.

Regards,

This is how I learned it as well. You have to think about what is easiest to read as well as the context of what the accidental fulfills (modulation, chromaticism, etc.).


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Re: How To Score? [Re: TomInCinci] #2913856 11/19/19 02:32 PM
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Ah, sorry, steam of consciousness post. There was no key change (unless modulation has yet another meaning in music). Or if there was it was way beyond my pay grade. They just used a Bb in one measure and A# in the next.

2 notes don't equal a rising or descending chromatic passage, do they?

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Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Ah, sorry, steam of consciousness post. There was no key change (unless modulation has yet another meaning in music). Or if there was it was way beyond my pay grade. They just used a Bb in one measure and A# in the next.


So there's a "they" - a person who wrote music that you're looking at?

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Originally Posted by TomInCinci
Ah, sorry, steam of consciousness post. There was no key change (unless modulation has yet another meaning in music). Or if there was it was way beyond my pay grade. They just used a Bb in one measure and A# in the next.

2 notes don't equal a rising or descending chromatic passage, do they?


Without seeing the score, I would say that the description of what is written doesn't "sound right."

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Originally Posted by TomInCinci

2 notes don't equal a rising or descending chromatic passage, do they?


I think BruceD is telling you to look at the notes before and after the tone in question. So there'd be 3 notes in all. The A#/Bb would likely be a non chord tone and how you spell it depends on what type of NCT it is.

There is a convention that makes music easier to read. I can sight sing but the ease of getting the intervals and rhythms right depends a lot on good editing of the score. If you spell it weird, or bar it weird, I'm more likely to get it wrong. So I'd say if it's weird, then it's wrong...

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There are also a lot of people who can "write" music now thanks to notation software without understanding the grammar of music. So either this is correctly written music with grammar the OP doesn't know yet, or something cobbled together or transcribed. I think we need to see the passage. (make sure to include key and time signature).

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BruceD has described it all precisely, a key is the key. smile I just wanted to add the same thing about chords and arpeggios, writing C-Eb-G is good and C-D#-G is not.

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I appreciate the responses and wish I could just print screen it. It's always good to have opinions from people you look up to, even if they aren't what you want to hear.

Copyright law concerns me. The more I read the less I feel like I understand. But if scribbling 5 notes on a piece of paper is going too far then I'm probably bound for copyright prison anyway.

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Not enough context to say. Does the music modulate to either B major or B minor in the bar with the A#?


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The way you notate accidentals whether a note should be A# or Bb may depend on whether you follow some sort of sequence going up & down a music scale. For instance if you have notes like C-Bb-A-G you're following a descending sequence of notes starting from a C. If you notate the sequence as C-A#-A-G wouldn't make sense since you want to show the notes descending in sequence. You're playing the same notes but the first version with the Bb looks better.

When there is already a sharp or flat in the Key Signature for a given note, you would even put another sharp or flat in front of a note (double sharp / double flat) in front of a note.

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I recently downloaded and learned a song on Musicnotes, and at one point there is a C# and then several measures later there is a Db. In both cases, the melody is generally descending so I have sort of just figured that whoever it is that did that arrangement didn't catch the difference (or in this case, lack thereof). I have found other typos on Musicnotes, so perhaps anything is possible.


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