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How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? #2913091 11/17/19 10:34 AM
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So I have a Yamaha P71 (P45) sitting on a little portable stand with two crossbars. Even a light finger press will cause the slab to slide on these two crossbars since only thing keeping it on the stand is gravity. I especially noticed the motion when I was showing my daughter how to read music last night and when she would press on the keys deliberately with her forefinger, but not hard, nonetheless, the keyboard would slide about 2mm on the crossbars which are matte coated aluminum.

Short of superglue, what can I do to keep a slab from sliding around on a portable stand?

I've been thinking though of velcro. stick a long strip of velcro hooks on the top of the two crossbars and two strips of the velcro loops on the underside of the keyboard. Has anyone tried that before?


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Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913095 11/17/19 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
So I have a Yamaha P71 (P45) sitting on a little portable stand with two crossbars. Even a light finger press will cause the slab to slide on these two crossbars since only thing keeping it on the stand is gravity. I especially noticed the motion when I was showing my daughter how to read music last night and when she would press on the keys deliberately with her forefinger, but not hard, nonetheless, the keyboard would slide about 2mm on the crossbars which are matte coated aluminum.

Short of superglue, what can I do to keep a slab from sliding around on a portable stand?

I've been thinking though of velcro. stick a long strip of velcro hooks on the top of the two crossbars and two strips of the velcro loops on the underside of the keyboard. Has anyone tried that before?


Your stand should have rubber sleeves in the places where the DP comes in contact with it. My experience was that they are effective at stopping the DP slab from sliding. The usual problem is that the stand wobbles too much when playing vigorously. Sliding has not been an issue I've seen.

Did you mean for this question to end up on ABF?

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Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913096 11/17/19 10:46 AM
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Yes, I’ve had this problem before, too. And at the moment, I’m thinking of trying those mini bungee cords to solve the problem.

Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913097 11/17/19 10:55 AM
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You could use baseball bat tape or something similar that is grippy to wrap around the stand where the keyboard sits.


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Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913105 11/17/19 11:10 AM
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I'd try Velcro. There are "industrial-strength" versions, but the usual hook-and-loop, adhesive-backed stuff should be fine.

I used it to stabilize a TV , sitting on a table on my boat. It never moved in several thousand miles of sailing.


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Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: KevinM] #2913125 11/17/19 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Did you mean for this question to end up on ABF?

Oh my. I intended to post this to the digital forum and it ended up on ABF instead. Apologies to everyone.

Thanks to everyone for ideas!


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Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: KevinM] #2913133 11/17/19 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Your stand should have rubber sleeves in the places where the DP comes in contact with it. My experience was that they are effective at stopping the DP slab from sliding.

That makes sense. Clearly that's what is missing from my stand from Yamaha are rubber sleeves for the arms. I guess Yamaha tried to shave a dollar off.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

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"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913169 11/17/19 02:16 PM
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Some of those soft rubber, perforated mats for lining your tool box drawers would help. They are soft enough that the dp will sink into them ever so slightly, as will the top of the stand you are using. That should eliminate sliding.

I once took out the screws holding the little rubber feet to the bottom of the dp. I replaced them with wing headed bolts and ran them up through holes in the stand and screwed them back into the threaded holes the rubber feet used to go in. It was effective, though taking longer to disassemble and take the unit down.


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Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Ralphiano] #2913199 11/17/19 03:40 PM
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Yes, fasteners can't be beat.
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I once took out the screws holding the little rubber feet to the bottom of the dp. I replaced them with wing headed bolts and ran them up through holes in the stand and screwed them back into the threaded holes the rubber feet used to go in. It was effective, though taking longer to disassemble and take the unit down.

Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913254 11/17/19 06:59 PM
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If the rubber is at the bottom, you have the stand upside-down!

Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Jonky Ponky] #2913272 11/17/19 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonky Ponky
If the rubber is at the bottom, you have the stand upside-down!

This is the Yamaha stand which comes with the P71, and it doesn't have rubber sleeves for either the two crossbars at the top or the too at the bottom. Too cheap I guess.

I just feel like I should solve this for my daughter so she won't text me sometime that the keyboard fell off the stand and broke.


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Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913307 11/17/19 10:56 PM
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Almost any hardware store should sell rubber end caps for tables/chairs. I'd be inclined to by extras that you could cut the bottom off completely and slide them further onto the stand.

Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913326 11/17/19 11:53 PM
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In case you decide to get something better, Monoprice.com sells a very decent X stands for only $17.99
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Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913374 11/18/19 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Jonky Ponky
If the rubber is at the bottom, you have the stand upside-down!

This is the Yamaha stand which comes with the P71, and it doesn't have rubber sleeves for either the two crossbars at the top or the too at the bottom. Too cheap I guess.

The P71 doesn't come with any stand from Yamaha.

To solve your problem, you can get a stand with locking straps: https://www.amazon.com/RockJam-Heavy-Duty-Pre-Assembled-Infinitely-Adjustable/dp/B01B15JPCQ


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Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913385 11/18/19 06:03 AM
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Why recommend an X stand? This is for Tyrone's daughter, not for a condemned prisoner. smile

Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913390 11/18/19 06:26 AM
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I had an x stand. When i changed to a proper table shape stand the difference was night and day..A good stand lasts forever supossing you don't gig, and makes playing so much enjoyable

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Get one of these. I have. No sliding problems.

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Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913443 11/18/19 10:24 AM
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Why recommend an X stand?

Very true smile the OP described that's what he had and only asked for a way to keep the keyboard from sliding; he wasn't asking for opinions on any other type of stands.
We read posts and all try to make suggestions to help someone; I tend to stay close to the post and come up with what I consider inexpensive solutions. Someone else may come up with a different suggestion; isn't that what a forum is all about???

Had the OP asked for opinions on different types of stands, which stand is better than the X stand, which stand I had or liked, my suggestion would have been quite different because I've been looking and just ordered the Roland KS-G8B for myself.

Re: How to get a slab to stop sliding on a portable stand? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2913445 11/18/19 10:31 AM
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Yeah, I already have the stand. To be honest, I don't even know if my daughter will play much. If she does, I might upgrade her to something better.


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"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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Hiya.

I used pipe lagging cable-tied to the top bars with great success - worked well on an FP-30 and FP-90.

It stops the slipping and would help with resonances/vibration going into the X stand... also helps if the bars aren’t perfectly straight.


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