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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2911576 11/13/19 12:21 PM
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I suggested the Levitan C lever seven posts ago in this thread. Because the technique of using it is different and would need to be learned, it might give an opportunity to tune with the other arm. Or simply involve different muscle tensions in the affected arm.

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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2911876 11/14/19 10:37 AM
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Duane,

I get an occasional health-related email from Dr. Larry Burk MD who uses various alternative healing modalities that deal with a variety of issues by identifying and addressing underlying emotional issues, in which physical symptoms can be seen as metaphors for deeper emotional causes for pain.

This morning I got an email from him regarding a Shoulder Pain Rapid Healing Online Course that he will be teaching. beginning Monday, 11/18/19, at 5 PM EST. Here's his description of the course:

"The focus of the course will be on experiential teaching of my ultimate sequential combination of 6 favorite self-healing techniques including Qi Gong, Meditation, Expressive Writing, EFT Tapping, Self-Hypnosis and Dreamwork. By the last class you will have practiced these methods enough to be able to do this sequence on your own. The goal is for you to Heal by the Holidays from many different causes of shoulder pain."

If you want to check it out, here's information:

https://www.ahw4you.com/offers/7wTX7awx/checkout

In this video he talks with his wife about some of the things she did for shoulder pain she had.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVAJt46iTmE&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2911890 11/14/19 11:19 AM
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Personally I like Dr. John Sarno's method because it is free and you do it all yourself (skin in the game). There are similarities between what is presented here, particularly the recognition that not all pain has a physical (organic) source.

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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2912009 11/14/19 04:20 PM
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I've begun therapy with a wonderful doctor and physical therapist at the Spine Center of the Duke Medical Center. These folks are very aware of a wide range of therapies and don't like to do surgery and injections.

What I have learned is that for three decades I have worked with minor pain, usually easy to ignore, but that pain and my reaction to it was doing damage to my body and gradually distorting my use of my body. By adapting I was gradually moving through chronic to eventual crisis. The treatment goal is re-education and lots of patience while my body heals. Then we will see if I can safely return to piano playing and tuning.

I say this because over the years I have been through many quick fixes and panaceas. The work we do is inherently dangerous. We each need to think deeply about what constitutes safe use of our body, and above all be very careful about any level of pain we experience. Working through mild pain for a long time can do serious damage.


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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2912072 11/14/19 06:38 PM
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I know I'm going to get some flack for this, however I must WITH GREAT RESPECT disagree with the notion that our work is inherently dangerous. However, I will STRONGLY AGREE with the statement that the treatment goal is re-education.

Dr. John Sarno proved over several decades of research and practice that the vast majority of pain syndromes have nothing to do with the work someone does. Physical injury to muskulo-skeletal structure is a different story. Yes, there can be pain, but only until the body heals itself. Things like Repetitive Motion Syndrome (RMS) or other similar "syndromes"...though the pain is real...the source of the pain is not organic. It is coming from a different source. I have proven this to myself numerous times over two decades (though I was skeptcal at first). Re-education is definitely the KEY.

One will need to do ones own research on the subject of "mind-body disorders". It is not a quick fix, nor a panacea, nor necessarily easy...but IMO is the key to chronic pain relief.

Please don't start labeling me as a quack or ill-informed. I've been through it all before. Do your research starting with Dr. Sarno...apply it...then tell me if you still think I'm an idiot. I know I'm not, but I'm prepared for it.

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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: David Boyce] #2912130 11/14/19 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by David Boyce
I suggested the Levitan C lever seven posts ago in this thread. Because the technique of using it is different and would need to be learned, it might give an opportunity to tune with the other arm. Or simply involve different muscle tensions in the affected arm.


Yep, missed your post, but good to bring this possibility up again.

Here's a video from Dan Levitan:
https://vimeo.com/37869859

The posture, body position, arm position -- everything is very different compared to using a conventional hammer.


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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2912306 11/15/19 08:13 AM
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Duane -
You've received a lot of good suggestions here. But no one, including yourself, knows the precise cause of your pain. It's hard to fix something when you don't first know if, how, or why it broke. See an orthopedist and request an MRI. Maybe you don't need surgery and some of the advice you've received will help.
Without a proper diagnosis you are searching in the dark.


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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2912310 11/15/19 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Duaner
My right shoulder is sore most of the time and I presume it's from tuning being right handed so I'm asking you techs who I'm thinking might possibly have or have had similar problems (maybe not but if you do....). I have eight pianos to tune and repair from Mon to Wed next week and I know I'm going to pay for this. So, is there some treatment, or sauve, or ointment or exercise or, well, you know, I'm fishing here.....anything that you have tried that helped your shoulder problem? Mine cracks and hurts like mad and sometimes it sort of feels like it wants to seize up. Sleeping is becoming a problem. If you have experienced this and have found relief somehow what can you tell me that will ease my nagging pain?

Hi Duane, when you work in the seated position raise the piano bench as high as you can so your arms are not constantly in an elevated position. Many things can be causing your pain but the obvious is tendinitis of the rotator cuff. Try to work so your hands when outstretched in front of you are not higher than your shoulder this will take pressure off your rotator cuff and prevent impingement.


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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2912858 11/16/19 04:23 PM
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I appreciate the very helpful tips. Thank you so much. I will say this which may be helpful to others with similar symptoms as me that I started using "Voltaren Emulgel" so it's called on the tube.

I realize this may not be the long term solution. But I will say just a few minutes after I applied this sauve to my right shoulder I started to have relief. No kidding. I use it quite liberally as an application and try to limit the applications to no more than four times throughout the day. Anything is worth a try and who knows this may be a relatively cheap help for you too.

I would like to be able to change positions and tune "left-handed" but to be honest I don't see me doing that at this point anyway although I do see the advantage. In fact I find it hard and severely awkward to even pick something up with my left hand let alone tune a piano with it but who knows "little-by-little" it may happen. Lot's of considerations and options given here as always.


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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2912921 11/16/19 07:39 PM
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Glad you are finding some relief, Duane. Maybe we should come up with a name for this malady. Reminds me of a seismic survey ship where the "Gunners" were tearing their arm muscles due to fixing damaged gear in awkward positions. They nicknamed it "Gunnerrhea".

So... what could we call a sore shoulder from tuning a piano? Tuning hammeritis? Nah, someone can do better. Let's hear some suggestions. Oh, wait a sec. How about naming it after the OP: Duane Pain. Nah, someone can still do better.


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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: UnrightTooner] #2913044 11/17/19 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by UnrightTooner
How about naming it after the OP: Duane Pain.


Jeff.....I'm honoured....."Duane-Pain" ....yes, but I am sure if my wife (perhaps others) chimed in here she would immediately change it to "Duane-The-Pain" ......never forget Rodney Dangerfield who always had that go to line "....I get no respect...." Still, Voltaren, I like how it frees my shoulder up and calms the "Hammeritis" down.....


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Duane,

Caution: just be prepared for the possibility that it will come back worse than ever after a while of suppression. Hopefully not...but...☺


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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2913324 11/17/19 11:47 PM
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You can get the same drug in tablet form but it's prescription only in most places. My doctor gave it to me, but she doesn't approve of frequent use in this form. It's fantastic when it works for a particular type of pain. It's anti-inflammatory, so hopefully it's doing more than just a painkiller. I didn't even need to finish the prescription.

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
You can get the same drug in tablet form but it's prescription only in most places. My doctor gave it to me, but she doesn't approve of frequent use in this form. It's fantastic when it works for a particular type of pain. It's anti-inflammatory, so hopefully it's doing more than just a painkiller. I didn't even need to finish the prescription.


Good news, John, tks......the relief I've had is priceless. I have taken the pill form many years ago when I played organized hockey and hurt my back.....but this gel is good for now.


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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2913420 11/18/19 09:19 AM
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After packing and unpacking our whole apartment for a move, something which took about eighty boxes, I was nagged with shoulder pain in both shoulders. I went to a shoulder specialist who looked at an MRI and said it was a bit of bursitis but that there was no damage, so he didn’t recommend surgery. I spent another three months of sleepless nights and went to another shoulder doc who injected me with cortisone in both shoulders. My pain disappeared for three or four months and then came back. I thought I’d have to have surgery but, eventually, the pain disappeared. I had shoulder pain that would wake me up for over a year.


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Re: Right Shoulder Sore Always [Re: Duaner] #2916349 11/25/19 07:21 PM
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Just a bit of an update. I went to the Doc for my yearly check up and told him my shoulder symptoms and that the over the counter Voltaren was helping some. He suggested and gave me a prescription for Medicated Voltaren, not the pill form but sauve with extra medication in it called DICLOFENAC-10%. So, I have been using this sauve plus I started using "Dr. HO" to work on the problem area. I think everyone would be familiar at least with Dr. Ho at this point as he is advertised profusely on TV over here in Atlantic Canada so I figure everywhere else too. If you don't know of Dr Ho look it up.

I'm not cured yet but can honestly say I am doing a lot better. Slow process though and I think it's slow because I'm still tuning pianos all the time.


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I had a partial labral tear in my left shoulder years ago that had to get surgery for. After many years, I developed bursitis in that area. It doesn't hurt when tuning. But I perform solo. 2 years ago if I did stride stuff at the end of the night I couldn't sleep on the shoulder. I was offered cortizone shot but declined. Thought I need surgery again. I put it off. Now though I can still feel something in the shoulder, it's not as bad even after playing stride. Seems like I can live with it for now without surgery. I'm in my 60's so not sure what's better to do, surgery or live with it.
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