Piano World Home Page Forums Our Most Popular Forums Piano Forum C bechstein and schimmel

What is price range for c bechstein upright and schimmel upright?

I’m really impressed by this schimmel for 8 grand, can I get something like such that is c bechstein ?

I’m really loving these European uprights and recently saw a124 video it is gorgeous

Schimmel

Brand Profiles -Price is for C Bechstein K8 --$69,840,
and $39,840 for the Elegance (48")
The Academy series is around $28,200

Here - all shall be revealed.

https://www.pianobuyer.com/brand/bechstein-c/

https://www.pianobuyer.com/brand/schimmel/

The magic book itself, thank you Carey !

The MSRP or SMP is not the price people pay.

No of course not ! The SMP is the starting price then you aim for a discount of some sort
In this case the MSRP has been made the same as the SMP.
In Vancouver the price for an Academy series 48"is about $28,000.CAD

But you listed to MSRP(same as SMP in this case) no?

Yes Pianoloverus I really do not know much about the mysterious world behind piano prices
in USA and Canada.,So can say no more........

It is listed the same in Brand Profiles ! This is often the case or so it seems to me.

Some don't like this magic book (mostly NY S&S fanboys) just because Larry Fine rates Hamburg S&S higher than NY...

Me too, I like this Schimmel a lot...

Sorry, I was not being critical about Piano Buyer, I was just joking !

One of the things I noticed is that on upper tier uprights and grands, SMP and MSRP are the same. Which says to me, a mere consumer, I dare not expect any discount if somehow I stumbled into a top tier piano supplier. “The full MSRP price I’m paying is quite modest for an instrument of this outstanding quality. Oh and outside the piano room we have Kool Aid to quench your thirst.” 😁 Just joking kinda.😁
And there are some discounts available that dealers will only show you when you’re at the showroom with cash and strong intention to buy a piano.

But even with Larry Fine, piano pricing is pretty mystical.

Yeah I did really like that Schimmel and because the back isn’t against a wall, it makes the Schimmel’s voice sound even bigger and more clear. Love the beautiful cabinetry. The padding on the piano bench would have to be replaced or recovered. It looks like something from my Grandmother’s house. Sorry Nana.

Well, if those NY S&S fanboys would bother to read Fine's explanation of his rankings, they'd realize the rankings are based as much on perceived reputation and "prestige" as on high quality.

From PIanobuyer…...

"Performance-grade pianos are divided here into five groups, based on our perception of their reputation and market position in the piano industry. (Of course, our perceptions are ultimately subjective, and reasonable people, especially outside the U.S., may disagree with our rankings to varying degrees.)
The first two groups are reserved for those brands whose prestige figures prominently in their value. Brands labeled Iconic are those that seem to be the flagship line of any dealer that carries them—they are, so to speak, the Maseratis and Lamborghinis of the piano industry. Those labeled Renowned, though not quite Iconic, enjoy an elevated position in the piano industry due in part to their having a virtually uninterrupted period of 150 years or more of very high quality, some having been owned by the same family for generations. Of course, the prestige of these two groups is based in large part on their extremely high quality, but marketing success and historical accident also play important roles in the reputations of these and other high-end brands.
The brands in the third group, Distinguished, are also of very high quality, but are either fairly recent arrivals to the Performance-Grade category, or have returned to very high quality in the last 20 years or so after a period of decline. Though not Iconic or Renowned, they are nonetheless excellent in every way. Preferences among performance-grade pianos in general are greatly dependent on musical taste in tone and touch. For these reasons, a number of brands in the third group have devoted followings and, practically speaking, may be just as good despite not having as much prestige associated with their names."

Carey,
I am obviously naive and a bit dim ?
What do you mean ?What is all this about ?What are we arguing about now ?
This logic of the world's greatest piano is just beyond me.....
Pianoloverus pricing, Piano Buyer, J&J possible discounts,Trandinhnamanh NY versus Hamburg S&S
Carey Piano Buyer Ranking (Fine's Method )

You have some misconceptions here.

1. When the MSRP and SMP are the same it does not mean one should not expect a discount.
2. MSRP and SMP are not always the same for the very highest tier uprights and grands. It does seem to be true that when there is a difference it's not as great percentage wise as most other makes.
3. Full MSRP price is never quite modest and one should almost always pay less.
4. If I remember correctly, sometimes the MSRP and SMP are the same because Fine has incomplete pricing information. Not positive about this last one.

PianoBuyer figures prestige/snob-appeal into their rankings. This would two identical pianos different ratings if they are from different manufacturers.

As far as I know, in the world of high-end flagship acoustic pianos, there are not two pianos identical, even if they are from same manufacturer...