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8 foot pianos #2911950 11/14/19 01:57 PM
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Has anyone on PW tried an 8 foot piano like the Seiler 240 cm model or the elusive Schimmel K256? I was wondering why companies would add such a product to their portfolio .

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Re: 8 foot pianos [Re: funnypiano] #2912032 11/14/19 05:12 PM
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there are a number of potentially positive aspects to that size, when the scale is well conceived and executed. they're more versatile than the full length concert grands, for one thing.

traditionally, eminent piano makers like Bechstein and Bluethner have built grands of similar length - - the vintage Bechstein II or III, or their D (250 cm), Bluethner model 2/vintage model 10 (238cm).

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Originally Posted by huaidongxi
there are a number of potentially positive aspects to that size, when the scale is well conceived and executed. they're more versatile than the full length concert grands, for one thing.

traditionally, eminent piano makers like Bechstein and Bluethner have built grands of similar length - - the vintage Bechstein II or III, or their D (250 cm), Bluethner model 2/vintage model 10 (238cm).

Isn't the Bluthner Model 230 cm placing it within the usual semj concert grand ballpark of 225-235 cm? My primary motivation for this question arose from the fact that I have tried many semi-concert grands and concert grands , and saw the K256 in a brochure at my local Schimmel dealer ( where I tried a K230). I could understand if someone had serious space issues , but then I realised that such a person already had a semi-concert grand to choose from.

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Have tried both.
In the case of Schimmel, it was the largest piano they made until the K280 was a model, circa 2005. There may be more small performance spaces in Europe, therefore the proliferation of choices between 7 and 9 feet.


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Re: 8 foot pianos [Re: terminaldegree] #2912048 11/14/19 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Have tried both.
In the case of Schimmel, it was the largest piano they made until the K280 was a model, circa 2005. There may be more small performance spaces in Europe, therefore the proliferation of choices between 7 and 9 feet.


Did you try the redesigned Konzert series model? How does it compare with a concert grand?

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I didn’t try them back to back. I am quite familiar with the current K series (currently own a K230).


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Disclaimer: I have a working relationship with Bechstein, but above all I am a piano buff.

The new C 234 is just incredible and having played a lot of Steinway Cs I can confidently say that the C 234 is not a B that wants to be a D. Until I came across the Bechstein my favorite in that size has without question been the Fazioli 228. The Yamaha C7 back then wasn't even a close call, which is why I bought a used CF-III-S instead.

Please give the C 234 a try. Bechstein now produces and uses its own hammerheads and this in itself has given their pianos a new quality. Would I ever want to replace my trusty Steinway B with something more modern, I'd definitely get myself a C 234.

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Didn't Ibach make an 8ft. piano ?

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Yes, Karl. That was their largest, as well. I remember being given a phonograph recording of one, as a promotion by a dealer in the mid 1990s!


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funnypiano,

Quite a few makers have made models in the 8' range. Sometimes the 8' was developed before any 9'. This was true of Schimmel, Seiler, even Yamaha - a fairly rare model CS. Historically, there are far more smaller halls that were music centers, and 7' - 8' models were well suited for these, will smaller chamber orchestras or more intimate recitals.

We are so regularly inundated with loud sounds today, that we lose perspective on the intent and power of a full orchestra.


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There are many ways to get an acoustical advantage before increasing the length of the piano. It's erroneous to think that longer strings alone will do that. But that is what designers seem to think. A 7 foot grand with no cut off bar, with a board that is engineered to be light in weight is actually a much bigger piano than a 9 foot grand with a board that has a short and stout rib structure with a thick and heavy panel. And the 7 footer takes up less space and is a little easier to move.
Regards to the string scale advantages, the inharmonicity curves are pretty smooth at the 7 foot level and there is not too much more to be gained in smoothness going to the 9 foot level. So a 7 foot Grand, when made correctly for acoustic advantages, can easily( at least should) satisfy any pianist.
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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
funnypiano,

Quite a few makers have made models in the 8' range. Sometimes the 8' was developed before any 9'. This was true of Schimmel, Seiler, even Yamaha - a fairly rare model CS. Historically, there are far more smaller halls that were music centers, and 7' - 8' models were well suited for these, will smaller chamber orchestras or more intimate recitals.

We are so regularly inundated with loud sounds today, that we lose perspective on the intent and power of a full orchestra.

I have tried a model D282 and liked it pretty much

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Originally Posted by Karl Watson
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Didn't Ibach make an 8ft. piano ?

YESS. When I was strolling around for a grand, i went to a Münster-region based piano shop, Klavierhalle - and at that time (Christmas 2009) the 240cm Ibach with the exorbitantly ornated "Richard Wagner" harp was the biggest piano there, of ca. 250 pianos for sale.

Great.

If I had had some pre experience in playing pianos like this and would have strolled elsewhere first, I dare to say that I would have decided to take that Ibach grand home - but being there was my ever first "real visit" in a piano shop and so I did not dare to make a fast buying decision ...

My search landed on a 270 cm american grand... only some four or five days later.


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Yamaha made an 8' CS (Concert-Semi) grand. I played one, as I recall, in Guangzho. Unlike one of the other pianos on that trip, a Shigeru-Kawai SK-7 along with2 Hamburg Steinway "D" pianos, it made no particular impression on me. It was quite nice for the repertoire I was playing with the Mantovani Orchestra. I found this link which shows a demo of a CS from about 10 years ago that does a nice job of introducing that instrument type: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQknM4WhJ1U

As to "why" build an 8', I don't have any actual knowledge. My speculation is that the 8' would have been aimed at smaller venues as a solo instrument, fit well as an orchestral piano (in the orchestra as opposed to in front of it), and so on.


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