2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
Who's Online Now
81 members (bobrunyan, almo82, astrotoy, Amusingprofessor, anotherscott, 8ude, Abdol, AWilley, 21 invisible), 642 guests, and 520 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4
Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
LarryK #2910149 11/09/19 06:07 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 10,311
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 10,311
Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Carey


Sigh, yes, I saw that one. The trouble is that I don’t believe I have the political capital with my wife to pull off the purchase right now.

Marriage is like that, you know, you have to figure out when the wind is fair.

I am dreaming a bit early, I am afraid, but it will happen, I will buy a piano. It doesn’t make sense to rent long term.
Larry - I understand the spousal politics ha- and of course, I know nothing about the age or condition of this particular instrument. However, I'm under the impression that SP Masterpiece Series uprights with Renner actions are rare in the USA, and the current SP uprights don't quite measure up even though the casework is gorgeous.

I guess my point is, sometimes exceptional deals pop up unexpectedly and are too good to pass up. Case in point... back in 2006 I stumbled upon a two year old Mason and Hamlin BB (7 foot semi concert grand) for sale for only $22K. Unfortunately I didn't have much spare cash sitting around, and my wife had already been quite understanding four years earlier when I financed $10K for a 5'7" Korean built baby grand piano. But with her blessing, I borrowed against the cash value of my whole life insurance policy and took out loan from my credit union to purchase the M&H. I eventually sold the Korean grand at a loss on consignment (during the recession - so it took about a year.), but when the dust settled, I had invested about $30K in a piano that normally would have sold new in the mid $50s. It was well worth the risk.

But as you say, timing is everything. smile


Mason and Hamlin BB - 91640
Kawai K-500 Upright
Kawai CA-65 Digital
YouTube channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/pianophilo
Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
LarryK #2910371 11/10/19 11:38 AM
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 478
D
Platinum Subscriber
Full Member
Online Content
Platinum Subscriber
Full Member
D
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 478
You are in a piano wonderland! Most people on this board do not have nearly the access to the options in New York City. I live in Texas but when in NY I enjoy going to see some of the brands not available here (though DFW has most brands I would say). Just go and play, that's the only way. You have a great luxury.

Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
dhull100 #2910421 11/10/19 02:18 PM
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,621
L
LarryK Offline OP
2000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
2000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,621
Originally Posted by dhull100
You are in a piano wonderland! Most people on this board do not have nearly the access to the options in New York City. I live in Texas but when in NY I enjoy going to see some of the brands not available here (though DFW has most brands I would say). Just go and play, that's the only way. You have a great luxury.


It’s nice that New York is known as Piano Wonderland. Haha! Yes, I have to get out and shop around.

If the next piano is my lifetime piano, I may need to raise my number. Still, think of all the grands I don’t have to consider!

Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
LarryK #2910427 11/10/19 02:37 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,923
j&j Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,923
Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by dhull100
You are in a piano wonderland! Most people on this board do not have nearly the access to the options in New York City. I live in Texas but when in NY I enjoy going to see some of the brands not available here (though DFW has most brands I would say). Just go and play, that's the only way. You have a great luxury.


It’s nice that New York is known as Piano Wonderland. Haha! Yes, I have to get out and shop around.

If the next piano is my lifetime piano, I may need to raise my number. Still, think of all the grands I don’t have to consider!

Since you’re not quite ready to purchase just yet, you have much more time to go to different piano dealers and play every single upright on the floor. Take notes. Have fun. When the time is right, you’ll know exactly where to go and what to try. Purchase the one you love.


J & J
Estonia L190 Hidden Beauty
Casio Privia PX-330
I don’t play well but I play far better than I sing.
[Linked Image]
Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
LarryK #2910437 11/10/19 03:04 PM
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 1
S
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
S
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 1
Check out the Samick family of pianos. The Eduard Seiler ED-126M is right around 48 inches, and has a magnetic action which most accurately mimics the action of a grand piano. It also has a solid soundboard.

You can 't go wrong with any of the Samick family. I'm partial to the Knabe pianos. They are built to German standards, and have a strong US history. http://www.knabepianos.com/history.php

If I had my choice, I'd get this one...http://www.knabepianos.com/wkv121.php

Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
StevenJ #2910489 11/10/19 05:00 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 10,311
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 10,311
Originally Posted by StevenJ
Check out the Samick family of pianos. The Eduard Seiler ED-126M is right around 48 inches, and has a magnetic action which most accurately mimics the action of a grand piano. It also has a solid soundboard.

You can 't go wrong with any of the Samick family. I'm partial to the Knabe pianos. They are built to German standards, and have a strong US history. http://www.knabepianos.com/history.php

If I had my choice, I'd get this one...http://www.knabepianos.com/wkv121.php
I mean no disrespect (honestly), but the majority of Samick built Knabes have little resemblance to the Knabe's built in the USA, other than the name. However, I understand that the grand pianos in the higher end Concert Artist series do follow the scale and case designs of the original 19th and 20th century Knabes. As for the current models, I'm not sure what you mean by "built to German standards." Can you elaborate? smile

That said, I'm sure the WKV121 is a very nice piano !!



Last edited by Carey; 11/10/19 05:03 PM.

Mason and Hamlin BB - 91640
Kawai K-500 Upright
Kawai CA-65 Digital
YouTube channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/pianophilo
Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
StevenJ #2910507 11/10/19 05:40 PM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,844
L
5000 Post Club Member
Online Content
5000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,844
Originally Posted by StevenJ
Check out the Samick family of pianos. The Eduard Seiler ED-126M is right around 48 inches, and has a magnetic action which most accurately mimics the action of a grand piano. It also has a solid soundboard.

You can 't go wrong with any of the Samick family. I'm partial to the Knabe pianos. They are built to German standards, and have a strong US history. http://www.knabepianos.com/history.php

If I had my choice, I'd get this one...http://www.knabepianos.com/wkv121.php

Seiler --My childhood piano.This was a legendary great European piano! One of the top!
Now it is " part of the Samick family "
"How the mighty have fallen" ! (actually I find it sad ,those are just personal feelings)
Yes I agree with Steven J, these are very good pianos with a great action and "European tone"
The 130 size was the nicest I thought.
This is a very good replica of the real thing which is still made in Germany. (See Brand Profiles ) However I think the Edward Seiler makes use of German parts and I think uses Renner action?
Not sure about that ..
I tried the 124 and the 130 size.Perhaps they have them in New York ?

Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
Lady Bird #2910527 11/10/19 06:08 PM
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,621
L
LarryK Offline OP
2000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
2000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,621
I wrote to a friend about wanting to buy an upright and he said, always buy German, so I sent him the link to PianoBuyer. I’m not sure he’s gotten over the shock yet. Still, if I can divide the price by 30 years, maybe it doesn’t really matter. At least, that’s what I keep telling myself.

Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
LarryK #2910533 11/10/19 06:17 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,131
Silver Subscriber
7000 Post Club Member
Offline
Silver Subscriber
7000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,131
Originally Posted by LarryK
I wrote to a friend about wanting to buy an upright and he said, always buy German, so I sent him the link to PianoBuyer. I’m not sure he’s gotten over the shock yet. Still, if I can divide the price by 30 years, maybe it doesn’t really matter. At least, that’s what I keep telling myself.


Hi Larry
Of course, German uprights are truly outstanding.... but keep an open mind when you start looking rather than narrowing down your options before you test drive. You don’t know what will become your forever piano until you meet it.


"Music, rich, full of feeling, not soulless, is like a crystal on which the sun falls and brings forth from it a whole rainbow" - F. Chopin
"I never dreamt with my own two hands I could touch the sky" - Sappho

It's ok to be a Work In Progress
Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
LarryK #2910542 11/10/19 06:46 PM
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 478
D
Platinum Subscriber
Full Member
Online Content
Platinum Subscriber
Full Member
D
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 478
Originally Posted by LarryK

It’s nice that New York is known as Piano Wonderland. Haha! Yes, I have to get out and shop around.

If the next piano is my lifetime piano, I may need to raise my number. Still, think of all the grands I don’t have to consider!


Go Manhattan for Faust Harrison and Beethoven Pianos for starters. You'll be spoiled for choice. Yamaha, Sauter, C Bechstein, Grotrian, and others. Could call ahead as a courtesy. I'm sure you will be welcomed. I can tell you probably no other city in the world offers those on the same block, as in footsteps from each other.

Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
LarryK #2910656 11/11/19 03:36 AM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,844
L
5000 Post Club Member
Online Content
5000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,844
A YUS5 although tall has a Sostenuto and a device where this pedal becomes a practice pedal.
Actually not a very powerful tone like some 130 sized pianos .But a very good piano.
I am never sure how successful sostenuto pedals are on uprights ?
The Steinways 46" (not furniture model )I did not like using the sostenuto it seemed to affect the touch in a really weird way. I did not like the sound at all either of this piano .Perhaps the instrument just arrived from the warehouse.I have never seen it in the store before.

Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
Lady Bird #2910699 11/11/19 08:09 AM
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,621
L
LarryK Offline OP
2000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
2000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,621
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
A YUS5 although tall has a Sostenuto and a device where this pedal becomes a practice pedal.
Actually not a very powerful tone like some 130 sized pianos .But a very good piano.
I am never sure how successful sostenuto pedals are on uprights ?
The Steinways 46" (not furniture model )I did not like using the sostenuto it seemed to affect the touch in a really weird way. I did not like the sound at all either of this piano .Perhaps the instrument just arrived from the warehouse.I have never seen it in the store before.


LadyBird,

Does your Sauter have a sostenuto pedal? Could somebody explain how a sostenuto pedal on an upright works to allow only some notes to ring on? I’m not that big a fan of a piece of felt between the hammers and strings, which is all a practice pedal does on most uprights, although I guess practice pedals can also reduce the distance between the hammers and the strings. I think it’s easy to add a piece of felt and a lever to any upright in order to get the functionality of a practice pedal.

Last edited by LarryK; 11/11/19 08:10 AM.
Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
LarryK #2910702 11/11/19 08:15 AM
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 397
A
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
A
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 397
Check out the Ritmüller UH-121R. Punches way above its price point, with a lovely clear, singing tone, excellent sustain and a responsive action.

Last edited by adamp88; 11/11/19 08:17 AM.

Adam Schulte-Bukowinski, RPT
Piano Technician, University of Nebraska-Lincoln
ASB Piano Service
Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
Lady Bird #2910805 11/11/19 01:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,844
L
5000 Post Club Member
Online Content
5000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,844
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
A YUS5 although tall has a Sostenuto and a device where this pedal becomes a practice pedal.
Actually not a very powerful tone like some 130 sized pianos .But a very good piano.
I am never sure how successful sostenuto pedals are on uprights ?
The Steinways 46" (not furniture model )I did not like using the sostenuto it seemed to affect the touch in a really weird way. I did not like the sound at all either of this piano .Perhaps the instrument just arrived from the warehouse.I have never seen it in the store before.

I may be wrong about the tonal power of the YUS5 .(in a large dealer showroom one cannot always
judge when the instrument is surrounded by other pianos )
Yes my piano has a sostenuto pedal.Many pianists even advanced never use a sostenuto.
A practice pedal (muffler,centre pedal) is useful in apartments.(you can even practice a few scales with it at midnight if you can't sleep ?)
The soft pedal is on the left and the hammers move forward so the hammer strike is decreased.
There is however lost motion so and the touch is affected on uprights.It is best not to use the soft
pedal for practice.,until you are much more advanced and want to seriously interpret music.



Last edited by Lady Bird; 11/11/19 01:39 PM. Reason: Spelling
Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
adamp88 #2911013 11/12/19 02:38 AM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,844
L
5000 Post Club Member
Online Content
5000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,844
Originally Posted by adamp88
Check out the Ritmüller UH-121R. Punches way above its price point, with a lovely clear, singing tone, excellent sustain and a responsive action.

I am glad your piano has such a lovely tone and and a sensitive response.Enjoy !
LarryK needs to try one of these as well.

Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
(ad) SWEETWATER Cyber Sale
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Schimmel K 132
by Lady Bird - 12/04/20 04:16 PM
Pianoteq presets
by Eli26 - 12/04/20 03:47 PM
A hauntingly beutiful piece you probably never heard
by pianoloverus - 12/04/20 02:29 PM
Them Donners and Lagrimas
by jeffcat - 12/04/20 02:21 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics203,259
Posts3,030,504
Members99,480
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2020 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4