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Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
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Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
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The two Toronto area piano stores associated with Tom Lee (according to their website) in Markham and Mississauga are Steinway Galleries, selling Steinway, Boston and Essex only, as far as I can gather.

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That is correct. They are associated/related but the Steinway Gallery is not authorized to sell Schimmels in the Toronto area.

Yes , T L here sells Steinways, Sauter, Yamaha and petrrrr, forte P petrrr (sorry brain freeze )

Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
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Originally Posted by LarryK
I can't help but think about upgrading when my rental period is up on the U1 and I was wondering what people would recommend for 48" uprights, new or used, up to $20k.

No, I don't have the space for a grand, and never will.

I want a special piano that I can enjoy for a long time.

Recommendations?


I you're in NYC, you certainly have a lot of options:

Faust Harrison Pianos
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Re: Best 48" uprights new or used for up to $20k?
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Hi LarryK - In the Larry Fines Piano Buyer there is a free online database of current piano prices for most every make and model of piano made, for both uprights and grands. It lists MSRP (Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price) which is the typical original price dealers show on their pianos. Then it shows SMP, which is the maximum sales price a buyer should pay. It is discounted from MSRP. You can then pick a percentage further discount from SMP. For my area, I use 20%. That’s the typical “sale” price. Since I always had a trade-in, the dealer typically can and will only give me the sale price because they are giving me full purchase price on a slightly used piano. Since you won’t have a trade in, you can negotiate even lower than their posted “sales price”.
In fact, you might consider buying the Piano Buyer book because there’s valuable information on the many different brands of pianos, how to navigate and negotiate a good deal on a wonderful piano. There’s also a great section on the map of the piano market and it rates and ranks verticals and grands. Plus there’s a Staff Picks section that shows some staff favorites based on quality and value pricing. Best of luck with finding your forever piano.


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Oh and as LadyBird mentioned very many piano dealers are having big inventory reduction sales to make room for winter shipments and inventory. Plus the NAMM show, where MI dealers flock to view new instruments and offerings, is mid January. Dealers can get special pricing on new instrument models, especially Disklavier, Spirio, and Transacoustic. Plus everyone wants to have great discounts for Christmas shopping. It’s a great time of year to find a piano at a nice price. 😁


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How about Cunningham piano's in Philly?

I was just thinking of Cunningham Piano for Larry. It's not that far away from him, he might save on the state tax, and you would likely get a great deal from Rich. Even without a car, you should easily be able to make it to Philly and back in a day, leaving more than enough time to try out all the pianos.
I'm not against trying to save money but the main problem is that I want to be able to have my teacher try out the piano before I buy it, so that rules out going to Philly. The place on Long Island is kind of far, so I think that leaves all of the dealers in Manhattan, and private sales.

You've mentioned this being your "lifetime piano." Well, with that mindset, and a budget of $20K, it would be a shame if you limited yourself. You might consider compensating your teacher for her time and bringer her with you on a longer piano shopping trip.


+1 Really consider taking your teacher to Cunningham Piano!



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+1 Really consider taking your teacher to Cunningham Piano!


I don’t see that happening. I like Philly but I’m a New Yorker. smile

If I were in the market for a grand, I’d visit Cantabile Piano Arts in the Yonkers. My teacher knows the guys there.

https://www.cantabilepianoarts.com/

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+1 Really consider taking your teacher to Cunningham Piano!


I don’t see that happening. I like Philly but I’m a New Yorker. smile

If I were in the market for a grand, I’d visit Cantabile Piano Arts in the Yonkers. My teacher knows the guys there.

https://www.cantabilepianoarts.com/



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Originally Posted by LarryK
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+1 Really consider taking your teacher to Cunningham Piano!


I don’t see that happening. I like Philly but I’m a New Yorker. smile

If I were in the market for a grand, I’d visit Cantabile Piano Arts in the Yonkers. My teacher knows the guys there.

https://www.cantabilepianoarts.com/

Don’t they carry uprights?


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+1 Really consider taking your teacher to Cunningham Piano!


I don’t see that happening. I like Philly but I’m a New Yorker. smile

If I were in the market for a grand, I’d visit Cantabile Piano Arts in the Yonkers. My teacher knows the guys there.

https://www.cantabilepianoarts.com/


I'm confused. Is there a reason the purchase of your lifetime piano revolves around your teacher's agenda?

LarryK, your requirements are honestly all over the place. You want bang for the buck... yet super expensive fancy finish for your wife. It has to go well with your painting. You want a lifetime piano, yet not willing to put in the leg work. You don't know if you want silent system or not. Finally, your teacher is somehow at the center of it all.

Perhaps it's worth spending some time to figure out your actual requirements and prioritize them? I'm not sure there's any point in discussing other people's recommendations here... are you planning to try any of them at all? What does your teacher recommend?

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+1 Really consider taking your teacher to Cunningham Piano!


I don’t see that happening. I like Philly but I’m a New Yorker. smile

If I were in the market for a grand, I’d visit Cantabile Piano Arts in the Yonkers. My teacher knows the guys there.

https://www.cantabilepianoarts.com/


I'm confused. Is there a reason the purchase of your lifetime piano revolves around your teacher's agenda?

LarryK, your requirements are honestly all over the place. You want bang for the buck... yet super expensive fancy finish for your wife. It has to go well with your painting. You want a lifetime piano, yet not willing to put in the leg work. You don't know if you want silent system or not. Finally, your teacher is somehow at the center of it all.

Perhaps it's worth spending some time to figure out your actual requirements and prioritize them? I'm not sure there's any point in discussing other people's recommendations here... are you planning to try any of them at all? What does your teacher recommend?


I think my requirements are pretty firm. I want to buy an excellent 48” upright after my rental period expires. I’m 90% certain of skipping the silent system. I’m not a night owl and my neighbors are cool.

I’m willing to put in the work but appreciate people naming brands and models. That has helped me learn of some possibilities I had not thought of.

As for my teacher, it’s just about respect. I respect her opinion and would like to get it before making the purchase.

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Define excellent. That's a super vague requirement when talking about pianos. What isn't excellent about your rental?

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When the time is right no doubt Larry will find his piano.
Many of us choose pianos in the town they live.There are
also many advantages to do this .
However finding the perfect finish, model and piano at the right price is not
always easy, and so many very good pianos are in polished ebony .
Sometimes a wood finish is cheaper than ebony, often the ebony
is a lower price.
Few dealers have a full range of the right models of a brand in different
woods colours.
Nothing is perfect, even teachers make mistakes choosing pianos and many
do not know much about the technical ,mechanical details of a piano and often
rely on thier own experience.
I once bought a grey Yamaha, returned it a few days later.Then later I bought a
European upright which I love.
Recently I bought a Kawai (1984) upright for teaching which turned out fine.
Perhaps Larry just wanted a few ideas about buying what piano?
I would think when he is ready to start looking seriously he could find the right upright
in New York. Ultimately everybody searches for that "special" piano differently.

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Define excellent. That's a super vague requirement when talking about pianos. What isn't excellent about your rental?

We all have own expressions even you ......

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Originally Posted by navindra
Define excellent. That's a super vague requirement when talking about pianos. What isn't excellent about your rental?


Excellent is an individual determination ; but the common denominator of excellence in a piano is that it makes you smile to hear it and touch the keys. Individual preferences for tone or touch do not need to be listed. .... as my preference will not equal yours nor vice versa and each of us will know it when we see it. When I played my current piano, I just knew it was for me. .... that is excellent


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Sigh, yes, I saw that one. The trouble is that I don’t believe I have the political capital with my wife to pull off the purchase right now.

Marriage is like that, you know, you have to figure out when the wind is fair.

I am dreaming a bit early, I am afraid, but it will happen, I will buy a piano. It doesn’t make sense to rent long term.

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Originally Posted by LarryK
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Sigh, yes, I saw that one. The trouble is that I don’t believe I have the political capital with my wife to pull off the purchase right now.

Marriage is like that, you know, you have to figure out when the wind is fair.

I am dreaming a bit early, I am afraid, but it will happen, I will buy a piano. It doesn’t make sense to rent long term.


Yes I exactly understand. You could make Piano shopping a fun full day of shopping with your wife to include stores she loves around going to a piano store for you to try out pianos and ask questions. Then take her to a nice place for lunch or dinner. Make everything pleasant for your wife and she might just enjoy going with you. Be sure to include her in the process.


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