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Re: War and Peace - Tolstoy
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Well, I'm cat-sitting my father's beautiful cat (otherwise known as my brother...we're the same generation, I suppose), and he and I are reading W&P together, while my Labradoodle jealously sits at my feet. He's to big for the sofa.


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Good points, Cathy, all of them. Pierre is starting to grow up. The transformation takes a while, but I guess that's true for most of us.


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Well, I'm cat-sitting my father's beautiful cat (otherwise known as my brother...we're the same generation, I suppose), and he and I are reading W&P together, while my Labradoodle jealously sits at my feet. He's to big for the sofa.


I saw your Labradoodle in one of your videos, he is adorable!

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Nice article in the WSJ this morning: “Berezina: On Three Wheels From Moscow to Paris Chasing Napoleon’s Epic Fail"

Here is the link to the article: Berezina

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Well, I'm cat-sitting my father's beautiful cat (otherwise known as my brother...we're the same generation, I suppose), and he and I are reading W&P together, while my Labradoodle jealously sits at my feet. He's to big for the sofa.


I saw your Labradoodle in one of your videos, he is adorable!

Thanks! Wally Conron thinks he's a monster.:(. He is getting into some health issues at a young age, unfortunately.


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Originally Posted by TomLC
Nice article in the WSJ this morning: “Berezina: On Three Wheels From Moscow to Paris Chasing Napoleon’s Epic Fail"

Here is the link to the article: Berezina

Good article, Tom.

Btw, didn't the Germans repeat Napoleon's mistake late in WWII? Wasn't this one of the things leading to their demise? You would think Hitler (I can barely type his name without cringing) would have been a student of military history, or at least would have read War and Peace, and would have known better.


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yes, I believe he broke an alliance with Stalin. But I don't recall why. At that time, I think, he had defeated Europe and North Africa quickly, except for England. And he planned to tidy that up in due order. So he probably expected Russia to fall as easily. He did get pretty far into Russia before Stalin, with the help of the weather, pushed him back. Maybe our professor can enlighten us?


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I'm on page 557 now. The Rostov's are staying with Count Andreich and Marya waiting for Andrei and selling their Moscow property. Really liking this book.


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I'm on page 557 now. The Rostov's are staying with Count Andreich and Marya waiting for Andrei and selling their Moscow property. Really liking this book.

That's a good section......lots of activity coming up. Not all so happy. Let us know what you think of the events to follow.


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Nice article in the WSJ this morning: “Berezina: On Three Wheels From Moscow to Paris Chasing Napoleon’s Epic Fail"

Here is the link to the article: Berezina

Good article, Tom.

Btw, didn't the Germans repeat Napoleon's mistake late in WWII? Wasn't this one of the things leading to their demise? You would think Hitler (I can barely type his name without cringing) would have been a student of military history, or at least would have read War and Peace, and would have known better.

One of the things I love is the description of Kutuzov hanging out in the Moscow Region and doing nothing, waiting for Napoleon's house of cards to collapse. Such a brilliant and insightful man! In many ways, the half-blind Kutuzov reminds me of WW2's Marshall Zhukov, who kicked Hitler's @ss on the Eastern Front in the Battle of Moscow (very reminiscent of Kutozov's Moscow defense) and he incredibly decisive Operation Bagration.

Anyone else see parallels between Kutuzov and Zhukov?


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Yes! A lot of excitement in that last part of Volume 2. So I’m now in the third volume. The war of 1812 that I know little about. We were taught about how Britain, the Canadians, and the American Indians, were all fighting the US in the War of 1812. So I find this all very interesting. Tolstoy philosophy’s so much in the first several pages that I had to read each paragraph twice. Then read it again. He gets his point across through. How futile war is. It makes me think of the Vietnam war. And others after that... So stupid and sad. 😞


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Well, I'm cat-sitting my father's beautiful cat (otherwise known as my brother...we're the same generation, I suppose), and he and I are reading W&P together, while my Labradoodle jealously sits at my feet. He's to big for the sofa.


I saw your Labradoodle in one of your videos, he is adorable!

Thanks! Wally Conron thinks he's a monster.:(. He is getting into some health issues at a young age, unfortunately.

That's too bad. My adopted dog (some mysterious mix, probably a setter and a border collie or Aussie shephard) had been quite healthy until this year when she tore one knee ligament after another (two surgeries in 3 months... She's between 8 and 10 years old, so not young anymore...

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Well, I'm cat-sitting my father's beautiful cat (otherwise known as my brother...we're the same generation, I suppose), and he and I are reading W&P together, while my Labradoodle jealously sits at my feet. He's to big for the sofa.
I saw your Labradoodle in one of your videos, he is adorable!
Thanks! Wally Conron thinks he's a monster.:(. He is getting into some health issues at a young age, unfortunately.
That's too bad. My adopted dog (some mysterious mix, probably a setter and a border collie or Aussie shephard) had been quite healthy until this year when she tore one knee ligament after another (two surgeries in 3 months... She's between 8 and 10 years old, so not young anymore...

We adopted two Siberian cats - littermate who were found in the snow in Moscow last winter! Anyone who knows Moscow winters will realize those kittens were not long for the world if they hadn't been found. They are ok now but were so sick for so long. They had at least 6 different diseases including worms, fungal infections, and various intestinal disorders. At one point, both of them lost half their hair. They needed 6 months of veterinary treatment each. So rescue pets can be very health or not healthy at all depending on the roll of the dice.


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yes, I believe he broke an alliance with Stalin. But I don't recall why. At that time, I think, he had defeated Europe and North Africa quickly, except for England. And he planned to tidy that up in due order. So he probably expected Russia to fall as easily. He did get pretty far into Russia before Stalin, with the help of the weather, pushed him back. Maybe our professor can enlighten us?

So, as far as I understand (not being a historian), yes, Hitler broke his alliance with Stalin hoping for more resources, including slave labor, potentially offered by the vast Soviet Union. He caught Stalin completely off guard (and it didn't help that Stalin had purged most of the Soviet military elite in the late 1930s), hence the huge losses on the Soviet side and the initial quick advancement of the German army into the USSR.

I may disappear for a week or so--have to finish a conference paper (on Tolstoy, actually, although not on War and Peace) and then am going to the conference but will catch up after I get back. I might try to participate at least a little bit in the recital discussion before I go...

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We adopted two Siberian cats - littermate who were found in the snow in Moscow last winter! Anyone who knows Moscow winters will realize those kittens were not long for the world if they hadn't been found. They are ok now but were so sick for so long. They had at least 6 different diseases including worms, fungal infections, and various intestinal disorders. At one point, both of them lost half their hair. They needed 6 months of veterinary treatment each. So rescue pets can be very health or not healthy at all depending on the roll of the dice.

Good for you, poor kittens but they lucked out in the end!

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We adopted two Siberian cats - littermate who were found in the snow in Moscow last winter! Anyone who knows Moscow winters will realize those kittens were not long for the world if they hadn't been found. They are ok now but were so sick for so long. They had at least 6 different diseases including worms, fungal infections, and various intestinal disorders. At one point, both of them lost half their hair. They needed 6 months of veterinary treatment each. So rescue pets can be very health or not healthy at all depending on the roll of the dice.

Good for you, poor kittens but they lucked out in the end!

Yes they did luck out - no more Moscow winters for them. They emigrated via Aeroflot to Amsterdam, where my wife talks to them in Russian as much as possible so they don't forget their roots. 😂


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We adopted two Siberian cats - littermate who were found in the snow in Moscow last winter! Anyone who knows Moscow winters will realize those kittens were not long for the world if they hadn't been found. They are ok now but were so sick for so long. They had at least 6 different diseases including worms, fungal infections, and various intestinal disorders. At one point, both of them lost half their hair. They needed 6 months of veterinary treatment each. So rescue pets can be very health or not healthy at all depending on the roll of the dice.

Good for you, poor kittens but they lucked out in the end!

Yes they did luck out - no more Moscow winters for them. They emigrated via Aeroflot to Amsterdam, where my wife talks to them in Russian as much as possible so they don't forget their roots. 😂


Have you read The Heart of a Dog by Mikhail Bulgakov? It's a hilarious story, but the cats in the story do not fare well.


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We adopted two Siberian cats - littermate who were found in the snow in Moscow last winter! Anyone who knows Moscow winters will realize those kittens were not long for the world if they hadn't been found. They are ok now but were so sick for so long. They had at least 6 different diseases including worms, fungal infections, and various intestinal disorders. At one point, both of them lost half their hair. They needed 6 months of veterinary treatment each. So rescue pets can be very health or not healthy at all depending on the roll of the dice.
Good for you, poor kittens but they lucked out in the end!
Yes they did luck out - no more Moscow winters for them. They emigrated via Aeroflot to Amsterdam, where my wife talks to them in Russian as much as possible so they don't forget their roots. 😂
Have you read The Heart of a Dog by Mikhail Bulgakov? It's a hilarious story, but the cats in the story do not fare well.

No, I only read Bulgakov's The Master and the Margarita and I've seen the theater adaptation in Moscow. Just brilliant. Is The Heart of a Dog as good?


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Have you read The Heart of a Dog by Mikhail Bulgakov? It's a hilarious story, but the cats in the story do not fare well.

No, I only read Bulgakov's The Master and the Margarita and I've seen the theater adaptation in Moscow. Just brilliant. Is The Heart of a Dog as good?


I think The Heart of a Dog is good but perhaps not as good as Margarita. Be prepared for magical realism, lol.

I found a Russian film version on YouTube:



My Russian friend told me that all Russians know this film.


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I'm nearly finished with the body of the novel. I'm up to the part where Dolokhov and Denisov are chasing the French out of Russia. Nothing earth shattering to discuss, just good writing and a great story.

Pierre seems to be enjoying the experience of being a prisoner. It seems he feels it is all part of life's adventure. smile


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