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Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: Abdol] #2898363
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Originally Posted by Abdol
There are two things every PC lacks:

MainStage and Logic Pro

If you managed to port these to PC, every professional will start using PC.

From the Gearslutz:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/mus...windows-real-time-audio-performance.html

Windows is historically a terrible OS for using DAWs and multiple audio interfaces. I remember it was impossible to have aggregate audio devices in Windows which was never a case in OS X at least since OS X v10.5.

For example, the audio socket of Macintosh Computers and Laptops provide higher output voltage compared to almost any PC/laptop I know (maybe MS Surface series also provide higher voltage!?)

There are so many subtle things that having a supercomputer with maxed out CPU and RAM will never resolve. The latency on Mac is notoriuosly lower. TB3 implementation and USB-C provides a fast enough storage to have RAID SDDs of any combinations (at max half of the PCIe).

Windows doesn't have the equivalent integration of Core Audio, Core Midi and Audio Units in OS X.

I'm not sure how many GigaBytes of samples you want to load, but I'm not kind of a guy who sits at his desk and waits forever to load a silly piano library. I want to play my piano in 3 seconds. Good luck doing it with any PC with ZetaBytes of RAM and Super SSDs.

I'll set everything up and report on load times and what not.

Originally Posted by Abdol
Google Hans Zimmer and see his setup.

[Linked Image]

He uses Mac, many hardware synths and a MOTIF XF. Do you think you need a more robust setup than him?

I'm quite sure I don't need any synths or MOTIF, whatever that is.

Originally Posted by Abdol
Or even you can afford what he owns?!

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Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2898393
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I'll set everything up and report on load times and what not.

I'm quite sure I don't need any synths or MOTIF, whatever that is.
smile


Sure. I know MS added new audio/midi features to Windows 10 APIs but not sure if it is the same deep integration as OS X.

You see the black 88-key keyboard on his right hand (bottom of the screen)? Do you see Hans' lighter on it? (his cigarette box is on the left side). That keyboard is a MOTIF XF 8. MOTIF XF has great integration with DAWs. Also it has a FW audio interface. Also, a hardware rompler is great for making quick draft performances.

The OS on the left monitor is also Mac OS. Why? There are no ribbons or bars at the bottom of the screen and on the top there is a silver bar.

There are other pictures from this setup and he has an apple keyboard.

BTW I'm kinda sure he didn't spend a single penny on new hardware. He gets all the new ones for free! It is the old ones that he spend his money on.

Last edited by Abdol; 10/08/19 09:26 PM.

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Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: newer player] #2898428
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Many people make great music with PCs and many people make great music with Macs - it’s all good.

Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: Abdol] #2898452
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Originally Posted by Abdol

Google Hans Zimmer and see his setup.

[Linked Image]

He uses Mac, many hardware synths and a MOTIF XF. Do you think you need a more robust setup than him? Or even you can afford what he owns?!


Hans Zimmer uses Cubase and Windows.

Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: newer player] #2898457
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...and OctaMED running on an Amiga A1200. wink

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Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: newer player] #2898462
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Tyrone will be using Cubase and VSL. Cubase runs better on Windows, and if you go to the VSL forum, there are posts from their developers expressing a preference for Windows (although I don't think they have any preference nowadays).

I use a Mac now, because I need to be able to run Logic and FCPX for compatibility purposes. It's a long story, but this is mainly because of bugs in Apple's software. I'm a professional user on the audio end, but sometimes I need to open the original Final Cut Pro files because its audio export is broken.

I use Pro Tools, Pyramix (Win only), Cubase, and Nuendo all the time.

Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: Kawai James] #2898482
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
...and OctaMED running on an Amiga A1200. wink

[Linked Image]

Wow, I remember I used very much Noisetracker 2 on my Amiga 500. Those software were so incredible at that time... So little memory for samples, but you could make some very nice pop/house/techno songs!

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Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: newer player] #2898494
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Those old sequencers were great fun!

Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: newer player] #2898496
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Loved making music in trackers back in the day. Fast tracker on PC was insanely cool for the time - removing the 4 channel limit of the amiga and suddenly having lots and lots of memory for samples. Loved that thing !

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Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: newer player] #2909295
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Robin Vincent recently uploaded parts 3 and 4 of "how to build an audio pc". See links below:




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Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: newer player] #2909296
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Sigh, he was really slow on part 4 wasn't he? Too late for me. I've been told my DAW is assembled and and almost ready to send to me.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: newer player] #2909304
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If you're using a daw just for playing ... not for production work, then the easiest way to build a desktop is
- Go to dell.com
- Click a few times to make your selections
- Enter your credit card number
- Take delivery
- Plug it in, plug it in

Unlike the methods suggested in the videos, this method produces:
Hassles: zero
Debugging: zero
Nice.

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Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2909631
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Sigh, he was really slow on part 4 wasn't he? Too late for me. I've been told my DAW is assembled and and almost ready to send to me.


wow I think they mined a VERY special variety of quartz (and other precious metals) to make the wafers for the processors, memories and other stuff for this DAW supercomputer of yours. shocked ha

The only explanation I have for it taking so long for it to get ready. wink


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Originally Posted by EVC2017
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Sigh, he was really slow on part 4 wasn't he? Too late for me. I've been told my DAW is assembled and and almost ready to send to me.


wow I think they mined a VERY special variety of quartz (and other precious metals) to make the wafers for the processors, memories and other stuff for this DAW supercomputer of yours. shocked ha

The only explanation I have for it taking so long for it to get ready. wink

FIrst the Ryzen 3900X processor was on backorder for 2.5+ months due to AMD's issues (or marketing stratagem... don't know). Then my custom PC builder decided college was more important than building my PC. Like what sort of outrage is that? 😠 My PC is not waiting for your college exams, no Sir! 🤬

This dragged out so long that I had purposely decided to go with the 3900X because the 3950X was delayed so long. But now the 3950X is being released the day before Thanksgiving (or so AMD claims). Sigh...


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: newer player] #2909914
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I've used Macs, off the shelf PC's and a custom built PC over the years. All worked, none were perfect. What really struck me on the custom built PC was just how fast windows could be without the unnecessary baggage. I was gobsmacked how quickly it would boot.

Re: How to build a PC for VIs and music production [Re: newer player] #2910171
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I remember in my Atari ST days, having Steinbergs Pro 12 followed by Pro 24.

Then many many years using Cubase, both on the ST and on the PC.

About a year ago I sold Cubase and bought Reaper as it does everything I want at a fraction of the cost.

I do prefer Cubase as I’m used to it, but my finances and my use couldn’t warrant its constant upgrade path (and many versions have been so buggy, you have no choice but upgrade if you want the bugs fixed)

Always had Windows but have administered Macs at work. I think both are great.

Used to run Linux, but so much of my software needed windows, I got sick of the constant hassles getting it all to work under Linux.

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