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Steingraeber B192 #2906027 10/29/19 12:26 PM
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Anyone own/is intimately familiar with this bad boy?

It's finally time to upgrade, and I spent a good bit of time with the B192 today, having played a bunch of similar-sized instruments over the last few years from Steinway, Bosendorfer, Bechstein and Bluthner.

They were all fine instruments, but I think I may have found the one. The sound on the Steingraeber is so colourful and rich; I felt I could lose myself in it, and that there was so much expressive potential that one could learn to harness.

It also seemed like, although I'm pushing it for size in my music room (16'2 x 13'7), it would stand less chance of ever being fatiguing than any other I've tried, even the Bosendorfers, which I've always though of as quite dark.

There were a couple of Bosendorfers in the showroom - a 214 and a 170 - which I was using to compare (mainly the former). Not like for like in size, obviously, but the best I could do. They are wonderful instruments, but again the Steingraeber sound just interested me so much more. The sound was less immediate than the Bosendorfer 214, but the power is there if you want it - you can make the bass growl and the treble sing, but even playing mid-range and mid-volume I found the sound so arresting.

Seriously thinking about a trip to Bayreuth soon.

Anyway, I'm curious to read any experiences or opinions anyone might have about these lovely pianos.


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Re: Steingraeber B192 [Re: The Hound] #2906032 10/29/19 12:35 PM
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They don't come any better than Steingraeber. Lucky you!

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Haven't played a B-192, but I played a C-212 and it was wonderful.

Larry.

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I've never played one either, but they sound amazing.

Re: Steingraeber B192 [Re: The Hound] #2906053 10/29/19 01:32 PM
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Why keep looking? You are fortunate, indeed.

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Hound,

You're only an hour or so from Hurstwood Farm. If you like Steingraeber, maybe they've got a Phoenix you'd really like.

Larry.

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Originally Posted by dhull100
Why keep looking? You are fortunate, indeed.


I don't think I am going to keep looking. I haven't enjoyed any other top make piano as much as this - and I've played on Faziolis, Steinways, Bechsteins, Bosies, Grotrians, Bluthners and a Sauter.

Also, if my country leaves the EU, as currently looks like a strong possiblity, prices might well go up on European pianos in the UK.

Originally Posted by iLaw
Hound,

You're only an hour or so from Hurstwood Farm. If you like Steingraeber, maybe they've got a Phoenix you'd really like.

Larry.



I've thought about it, but to be honest it's a more of a schlep than it may seem (the M25 is a horrendously congested motorway much of the time), and while I'm curious about the Phoenixes, I'm also skeptical from a sonic point of view.


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Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 15 in D major, Op. 28 ("Pastoral") First two movements; Piano Sonata No. 21 in C major, Op. 53 ("Waldstein") First movement
Schumann/Liszt - Widmung
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Fine piano, fine company. Having played the other "bests" and this is the best personal match for you, may you enjoy it in good health for many years. That's what high-end piano buying is really about, resonating with you personally among other great choices.


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You've been looking for a while, so you know what's available among most Tier 1 pianos. If the Grotrian speaks to you, and it seems to, buy it...especially as Brexit is looking inevitable, in one form or another, which will surely drive the value of the pound down and/or result in possibly onerous tariffs. Finding an instrument that offers you unlimited potential musically is rare, indeed.


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Originally Posted by AaronSF
You've been looking for a while, so you know what's available among most Tier 1 pianos. If the Grotrian speaks to you, and it seems to, buy it...especially as Brexit is looking inevitable, in one form or another, which will surely drive the value of the pound down and/or result in possibly onerous tariffs. Finding an instrument that offers you unlimited potential musically is rare, indeed.



Where did you read Grotrian?


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I've only played two Steingraebers in my life and they were both very fine instruments. One person (sales guy) told me he viewed a Steingraeber like a world class tenor (think Pavarotti). They definitely sing! When a piano moves you on more than one occasion (in other words play it two separate days) then it's a strong contender for "the One." Good luck!

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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
Fine piano, fine company. Having played the other "bests" and this is the best personal match for you, may you enjoy it in good health for many years. That's what high-end piano buying is really about, resonating with you personally among other great choices.


Thank you for your kind words. thumb

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You've been looking for a while, so you know what's available among most Tier 1 pianos. If the Grotrian speaks to you, and it seems to, buy it...especially as Brexit is looking inevitable, in one form or another, which will surely drive the value of the pound down and/or result in possibly onerous tariffs. Finding an instrument that offers you unlimited potential musically is rare, indeed.


Thanks, and yeah, it was the Steingraeber that really grabbed me. Not giving up hope on Brexit yet, but I'm not optimistic, either.

Originally Posted by Steve Chandler
I've only played two Steingraebers in my life and they were both very fine instruments. One person (sales guy) told me he viewed a Steingraeber like a world class tenor (think Pavarotti). They definitely sing! When a piano moves you on more than one occasion (in other words play it two separate days) then it's a strong contender for "the One." Good luck!


Yes, another visit would be prudent before swanning off to Germany. Time's not in great supply, so will have to consider how to do that.


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Schumann/Liszt - Widmung
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The 192 is a fabulous piano, and has lineage to the Liszt Steingraeber 200. I personally purchased one myself for my use in retirement.

TOday, I played an absolutely fabulous Steingraeber 192 at Grand Piano Haus in Skokie. It is sonorous and mellow, yet brilliant and clean when dug into. It was like playing many different pianos in one dependent upon the strike. It was every bit as sweet as the Bosie nearby, but far surpassed it when power was required. ADDITIONALLY, it had the new adSilent system which was so astounding that I am having one added to my piano. It has MODELED (not sampled) sound when the silent system is engaged, AND it had a Mozart rail. If Fritz and Jeff would let me, I’d trade them mine for theirs!!!

If anyone is near Chicago (actually Skokie) you should stop by and try this splendid instrument.

Having sold this brand for many years, if you have any questions I am happy to answer them. A trip to Bayreuth, though, would answer any doubts you might have, but might end up being an expensive journey..... mine was!


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Visted Steingraeber Bayreuth a handful of years back. On that day, the C-212s far outshined the B-192s in the studio.


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Originally Posted by master88er


Having sold this brand for many years, if you have any questions I am happy to answer them. A trip to Bayreuth, though, would answer any doubts you might have, but might end up being an expensive journey..... mine was!


Hi master88er. Thank you for your comments. How would you personally generally characterise the sound, including compared to the other top makes?

How worthwhile is the Mozart rail in your view? I assume if one wanted it one would have to order one specifically.

Originally Posted by phacke
Visted Steingraeber Bayreuth a handful of years back. On that day, the C-212s far outshined the B-192s in the studio.


Not surprising that the larger piano would outshine the smaller.


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How would you personally generally characterise the sound, including compared to the other top makes?

How worthwhile is the Mozart rail in your view? I assume if one wanted it one would have to order one specifically.

You might find a thread I started to be useful reading.
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2867330/steingraeber-udo-the-instruments.html
I can't comment on the Mozart rail, because none were installed (as I recall) on any of the Steingraebers on the floor at Gaithersburg Piano Kraft.

As for suitability for you, my opinion, based on the pieces on which you are working in your signature, is that the Steingraeber might be JUST THE THING. I distinctly remember Udo Steingraeber discussing the Steingraeber "tonal aesthetique" as aimed at recreating the sound of the mid-19th Century grand as opposed to the Steinway like sound of the late 19th Century. Their aim is not a sort of homogenized uniformity among the registers of the instrument, rather a (pleasant) differentiation.

My impression of the brand was that the pianos were worth their lofty price tags, extremely well designed, extremely well made. They have a DIFFERENT sound from many others as well as a different feel (...the key dip is somewhat more shallow as I recall). If you like those things, you will love owning a Steingraeber.

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I can’t speak specifically to the B192, but I had tried both a C212 and a D232 at Grand Piano Haus in Skokie, IL 2.5 years ago, and I fell in love with both of them. I had a hard time choosing between the two, but ultimately I wound up trading in my Steinway B and buying the D232 from Fritz and Jeff there, who made me a good deal. The D232 is a spectacular instrument, garnering much praise from many pianists who’ve been to my house to try it. It has a substantial but forgiving touch, and I would say that its tonal palette is second to none in its breadth. I have to believe the B192 would be a great piano, as well. Good luck!

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I’ve never had the privilege of playing a Steingraeber, unfortunately, but it sounds like the B192 really “spoke to you”. You fell in love with with a top tier instrument and so if you can afford to, bring it home. I did hear they’ve agreed to delay Brexit a bit longer, so this might be your best chance to buy it. Best Wishes! Keep us posted.


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Really appreciate all the comments. Steve Chandler's advice that a piano should speak to one on two separate days makes a lot of sense, so I'm going to try and head back there tomorrow and have another go on it before taking the plunge and heading over to the factory. Though all being well and assuming I feel the same tomorrow, I am going to try and go in November.


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Stick to Steingraeber, Phoenix's that were manufactured in Poland have been riddled with defects. I know this from personal experience.




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