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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: newer player] #2902432 10/20/19 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by newer player
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What's a digital speaker?
Silly audio marketing term with the same common meaning as "speaker".

Osho might have meant to write "digital piano's speakers"

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2902727 10/21/19 10:29 AM
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I’ve had my N1X for 6 weeks now, and wanted to give a follow-up:

I love it!

It has actually exceeded my expectations. The sweet grand action makes playing and practicing so much more fun.

But I also wanted to give a shout out to Genelec. As good as the N1X is I may be even more impressed with the near-field monitors. I now have them positioned so that the are just over 0.7 meters from my ears, and at the same height. The detail and clarity is astonishing. I actually bought these without ever having tried them, since no local store had any I could demo. I wasn’t too concerned about this since the vendor I purchased them from said I could return them for a full refund if I wasn’t satisfied. All I can say is that the glowing reviews aren’t hype. Running CFX full through these is beautiful.

Now I just need my skills to improve haha.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2906135 10/29/19 04:22 PM
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Would it be possible for an N1X owner to check if changes made on the app (SmartPianist) related specifically to note-per-note volume can be saved for later recall after turning the unit off/on?

Simply lowering or raising the volume on one single note and then saving/recalling the patch would do the trick.

If it is indeed possible to save these changes, my next question is: would these changes be stored on the piano itself or would I need to open the app and launch/open the “saved” patch?

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Pete14] #2906140 10/29/19 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete14
Would it be possible for an N1X owner to check if changes made on the app (SmartPianist) related specifically to note-per-note volume can be saved for later recall after turning the unit off/on?

Simply lowering or raising the volume on one single note and then saving/recalling the patch would do the trick.

If it is indeed possible to save these changes, my next question is: would these changes be stored on the piano itself or would I need to open the app and launch/open the “saved” patch?

I’ve been considering buying an NU1X and wanted to know the answer to this too. This is what I have found by trial and error in a store.

It seems the note by note changes, to tuning and volume per piano voice, survive a power cycle without reconnecting the smart pianist app. But, other config changes done by the smart pianist app, which can also be done from the DP control panel and which do not survive power cycles, still do not survive power cycles; and you have to restore a previously saved configuration in the smart pianist app to reload such preference changes.

It may be the same for the N1X, or not, and I may not have the full picture. I’ve stopped looking into this for now.

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2906141 10/29/19 04:39 PM
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I just want to announce that yesterday, I have submitted my order for the N1X. Although it was impossible to try in locally (I am based in Hungary, Europe), I managed to test it out when I was on a business trip to Austria. I have already read most of the threads about it prior to my visit, so I knew what to look for; I just had to see it "in the flash" to see if it really _that good_. I saw it, and I decided that it is. Now I am waiting for them to get back to me with a shipping date. In the worst case, it will be January; maybe sooner, depending on the European supply.

Now I just need to get the WiFi node (which is _not_ shipped as a necessary accessory, duh), a chair.... and wait... and wait...

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: spanishbuddha] #2906160 10/29/19 05:37 PM
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So it is possible to save note-per-note changes to volume/intonation on the app, and more importantly, the app would no longer be needed to recall these changes, spanishbuddah?

Once I’m satisfied with these changes (volume/intonation), I would not need to go into app; being able to just power the piano and computer without having to further mess with the app is a + for me.

If I decide to go for an N1X in the future, I intend to blend the on-board sound with Pianoteq. I’m currently doing this with my P-515, and changes to volume/intonation are made from Pianoteq Pro, but I would also like to go into the P-515 (via the app) and adjust volume for some notes that are sticking out in the CFX .

Overall, the two sources blend very well, but having control over volume/intonation on both the CFX and Pianoteq Pro would probably be better.

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Pete14] #2906200 10/29/19 07:20 PM
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Haha, Pete14 that's awesome.

Could you record a piece on pure PTQ, CFX, then your house blend of PTQ+CFX? Then CG should evaluate the recordings and opine on merits...

This should add another 50 pages to this thread?

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Csillag] #2906211 10/29/19 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Csillag
I just want to announce that yesterday, I have submitted my order for the N1X.


Wonderful!

Let's hope for a speedy delivery.

God Bless,
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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: navindra] #2906268 10/30/19 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by navindra
Haha, Pete14 that's awesome.

Could you record a piece on pure PTQ, CFX, then your house blend of PTQ+CFX? Then CG should evaluate the recordings and opine on merits...

This should add another 50 pages to this thread?

Oh, no, please, for Pete’s sake!


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2906291 10/30/19 04:00 AM
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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Csillag] #2906410 10/30/19 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Csillag
I just want to announce that yesterday, I have submitted my order for the N1X.


Congratulations Csillag! It will definitely be worth the wait. Hopefully it gets there even sooner than expected.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2907614 11/02/19 02:46 AM
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Yamaha Music Europe put a new N1X video online.



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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2907615 11/02/19 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by David B
Yamaha Music Europe put a new N1X video online.



God Bless,
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Sounds very 'electronic' to me.


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Sounds good, nice "bite" in the CFX without being too edgy. This in the line-out and not the binural sound, right? To mee the Bösendorfer sounds quite different and more full bodied than other recent Yamahas. I would like though if these type of videos showed som music with lesser notes so one could hear how the sound decays and work with different pedaling. It's always quite virtuosic, show-of style music where you mostly hear the attack and that sounds good on most modern DP:s.


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Listening to the regular (non-binaural) sound through stereo (including headphones) makes it sound a bit nasal, I’ve already commented on this. Internally it’s a multichannel sampling that’s mixed down to stereo and that doesn’t make justice to how it really sounds through the onboard speakers. I prefer recording with the binaural sound which is great even through stereo speakers.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2908259 11/04/19 02:58 PM
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I want to share a pleasant and totally unexpected experience with dirt cheap closed-back headphones I just tried with the N1X:
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I bought them today because I wanted cheap closed-back headphones that have strong outside noise insulation to use with my MODX while jamming with our band since the drums and the bass are killing my hearing in no time frown I checked on the Superlux website and they were one of the two pairs specifically recommended for monitoring in noisy places due to good sound insulation. I used them with the band this night and indeed they soften and dampen the outside sound nicely without blocking it.

So, I decided to also test them with the N1X at home and I expected them to be total cr*p because I’ve never heard closed-back headphones sounding good with pianos. Well, with that lowered expectations I’m really pleasantly surprised! They are very neutral and balanced across the range. I find them better than any other closed-back headphones I’ve tried. If I have to nitpick, they are making it a bit awkward to stick so tight over the ears and insulate, creating a feeling of being in high pressure, like underwater. Furthermore, the soundstage isn’t that wide as open-back headphones but they could be expected. And I would have preferred if they were just a bit less bright than they are. But that’s nitpicking as I said. For the price and for closed-back: highly recommended!

P.S. not sure why the pic got flipped...

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2908289 11/04/19 06:17 PM
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Are you still able to hear the other folks in the band while wearing headphones?

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Colin Miles] #2908296 11/04/19 06:33 PM
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God Bless,
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Sounds very 'electronic' to me.

Did you watch the same video I did? I just watched it while wearing a quality pair of headphones, and it certainly doesn't sound "electronic" to me.

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Kawai James] #2908357 11/05/19 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Are you still able to hear the other folks in the band while wearing headphones?

Cheers,
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Yes, they (the guys) are just not that painfully loud as before.

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2908366 11/05/19 01:43 AM
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Hi guys,

sorry for my English, I'm from Germany.
For some weeks I also own a Yamaha N1x. Before that I had a Yamaha CP4 with good speakers. Unfortunately, I am not completely satisfied with the sound of the Yamaha N1x. In my opinion, it sounds dull and not so dynamic. Although I always change the sound brightness in the settings, I still do not find the sound so brilliant and bright. Maybe I'm a bit spoiled by the sound of my old monitor speakers.
Now I have seen that some of you connected also additional monitor speakers to the N1x. What are your experiences with it? Did the sound become better or clearer? The problem is, that the built-in speakers do not turn off, when you connect additional speakers.
I would appreciate an answer.

Eddy


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