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The Best Headphones According to Top Record Producers #2903261 10/22/19 05:59 PM
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Yet another! headphone thread.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-be...-producers-11571771353?mod=hp_listc_pos1

I have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal, so just in case you can't read the link....

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Grado mentioned: "Emily Lazar, first woman to win Best Engineered Album Grammy for Beck’s ‘Colors’: “I favor HiFi brands because I get so much more of the intimate information, less distortion and a more enjoyable experience. While working, I like the Focal Clear($1,500, focal.com) and the Grado PS 2000e. But I have the most fun listening to vinyl on a vintage pair of Stax electrostatic ear speakers paired with their amp—I especially like that the brand doesn’t actually call them headphones.”


Full disclosure.... I am not sure I would run out a buy based on a WSJ article, but hey, it is a data point.

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Re: The Best Headphones According to Top Record Producers [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2903278 10/22/19 06:25 PM
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This is the main take-away ...
Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
I am not sure I would run out a buy based on a WSJ article, but hey, it is a data point.
Best is personal. My best is not your best. A record producer's best is not my best.

The only review worth having is the one where the phones are snapped onto your own skull. Am I right?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
This is the main take-away ...
Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
I am not sure I would run out a buy based on a WSJ article, but hey, it is a data point.
Best is personal. My best is not your best. A record producer's best is not my best.

The only review worth having is the one where the phones are snapped onto your own skull. Am I right?



Yep.

But there is some value here as folks get to see some brands that show up in the "high fi" world. Beyerdyamic, Focal, Audio Technica, Sennheiser Grado..... These are brands that have been around a looooong time... and that is a good thing in my book.

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I like my Denon AH-D7200 headphones but I don’t use them that often. They have a low impedance of just 25 ohms so they’re easy to drive.


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Apple earbuds? eek

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Nice to hear my HD600's made it.


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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Apple earbuds? eek



For phone calls, yes, for music, nothing doing.

I love my Etymotic ER4SRs for listening while traveling. The foam earplugs provide 35-42dB of attenuation.

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Re: The Best Headphones According to Top Record Producers [Re: johnstaf] #2903408 10/22/19 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Apple earbuds? eek



So..... some background on professionals in the recording industry.... not all of them know or understand good sound. Yes, I mean that. Commercial sound, that loud compressed mess you hear on many pop records is not high fidelity at all... most of these professional kids have no idea how to properly mic an acoustic instrument or even a Les Paul through a Marshall half-stack. They get it into digital, then use software. To an old school pro... the damage is done and it is just too late.

So on one hand, they just are not interested in high fidelity. On the other hand, some pros like to hear their mixes through what most kids will be listening through... ear buds. This may sell more records but boy, does it kill high fidelity for the rest of us.

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But I have the most fun listening to vinyl on a vintage pair of Stax electrostatic ear speakers paired with their amp—I especially like that the brand doesn’t actually call them headphones.

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But I have the most fun listening to vinyl on a vintage pair of Stax electrostatic ear speakers paired with their amp—I especially like that the brand doesn’t actually call them headphones.

🙄


The Stax headphones were what I lusted after most when they came out (besides MaryAnn -------). Back in the late 70s when I think they came out... those things were from Mars. I heard them in a shop in Youngstown Ohio... wow... I never thought anything could sound so beautiful and detailed. Shocking. But I could not afford those even in my wildest dreams.

BTW, that amp is not just an amp.... it charges the electrostatic membranes in the phone.... it was a whole system.

See here... still in business at $4,325. https://staxaudio.com/earspeaker/sr-009s

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I remember reading about the Etymotics in the past and wanting to get a pair due to their great reputation, but nowadays I know I prefer open backed to in the ear phones. I don't travel much!


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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
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But I have the most fun listening to vinyl on a vintage pair of Stax electrostatic ear speakers paired with their amp—I especially like that the brand doesn’t actually call them headphones.

🙄


The Stax headphones were what I lusted after most when they came out (besides MaryAnn -------). Back in the late 70s when I think they came out... those things were from Mars. I heard them in a shop in Youngstown Ohio... wow... I never thought anything could sound so beautiful and detailed. Shocking. But I could not afford those even in my wildest dreams.

BTW, that amp is not just an amp.... it charges the electrostatic membranes in the phone.... it was a whole system.

See here... still in business at $4,325. https://staxaudio.com/earspeaker/sr-009s

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Many would argue that the cheaper SR-L7 is better.

https://staxaudio.com/earspeaker/sr-l700

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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
See here... still in business at $4,325. https://staxaudio.com/earspeaker/sr-009s

Wonderful sounding headphones IMHO. They are super comfortable but a bit heavy and so expensive (plus the special amp).

Originally Posted by johnstaf
Many would argue that the cheaper SR-L7 is better.

https://staxaudio.com/earspeaker/sr-l700

I find the earcups somewhat hard and uncomfortable on my head. YMMV.

Stax was acquired by a Chinese firm not so long ago but they still have production facilities in Japan.

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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
So on one hand, they just are not interested in high fidelity. On the other hand, some pros like to hear their mixes through what most kids will be listening through... ear buds. This may sell more records but boy, does it kill high fidelity for the rest of us.

Indeed >.<

Sometimes high end equipment isn't all that fun when you like music outside of the few audiophile reference works and the flaws are so "in your face".

I'd love to listen to Stax at some point in my life. Just curious because it's a completely different technology.


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I'd love to listen to Stax at some point in my life. Just curious because it's a completely different technology.

No way for me. Call me paranoid but I just would never feel comfortable having such a huge voltage potential so close to my brain! 😬😬


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Granyala
I'd love to listen to Stax at some point in my life. Just curious because it's a completely different technology.

No way for me. Call me paranoid but I just would never feel comfortable having such a huge voltage potential so close to my brain! 😬😬


Ha! I've had have some Stax 'phones for many years. I can honestly say you could not be closer to the music. Quite magnificent.


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I think the presence of Beats and Apple earpods on this list disqualifies it from being a reliable reference point. Disclaimer: I'm not Beats hater, they are not 'bad' headphones, but their occurrence here, considering intrusive marketing, raises serious suspicions as to whether the sound fidelity was the deciding factor to put them on the list wink


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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
Originally Posted by johnstaf
Apple earbuds? eek



So..... some background on professionals in the recording industry.... not all of them know or understand good sound. Yes, I mean that. Commercial sound, that loud compressed mess you hear on many pop records is not high fidelity at all... most of these professional kids have no idea how to properly mic an acoustic instrument or even a Les Paul through a Marshall half-stack. They get it into digital, then use software. To an old school pro... the damage is done and it is just too late.

So on one hand, they just are not interested in high fidelity. On the other hand, some pros like to hear their mixes through what most kids will be listening through... ear buds. This may sell more records but boy, does it kill high fidelity for the rest of us.

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Ah, yes, the the loudness war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

Loud sounds grab people’s attention and so there is a race to the bottom, or I should say top. Dynamic range gets reduced and all sounds get pushed up Into a narrow band of loudness. I can stand some loud sounds but not unrelenting loud sounds, as that tires the ears.

Roon with Tidal can show the dynamic range of an album. It’s fascinating to see how wide a dynamic range you have in orchestral music and how narrow in pop music.

In the old days, I believe record producers would play back their mixes through crappy car stereo speakers because that’s what a lot of people were listening with.

I’ve always wanted to get a Stax setup but when you’ve spent a fortune on floor speakers and the amp to drive them, as I have, it seems like a pity to listen to music through headphones. Yes, I know, the NEIGHBORS! Well, I don’t play at loud levels, perhaps for a few seconds here and there depending on the recording, and then only during the day. Nobody has complained in over a year.

Anyway, I’ll throw Denon out there as a reputable headphone manufacturer. I like my AH-D7200s, but, yes, they’re closed back. I guess I’d rather not bleed sound for my wife to hear. If I want her to hear sound, I’ll play the piano or stereo so she can hear it, LOL.

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