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Your Best Guess: Henle Verlag Rating Approximation
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Henle Verlag doesn't (generally) seem to assign difficulty levels to every movement of a given sonata. I know that there are exceptions but couldn't find the answer to my question.

My question: What is your best guess at a Henle Verlag-esque difficulty rating for the first (allegro moderato) movement of Schubert's Sonata in F sharp minor D571 (Fragment)?

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If you are asking because you have an interest in playing this piece, I think the best way to tell is by trying a small segment. The passage work is so similar throughout the piece that you only have to see how easy or difficult a small part of it is for you.

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Originally Posted by ebonykawai


Doesn't the 7 rating apply to all movements---not just the first?

I looked at this prior to posting. Perhaps I misunderstood.

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I'm assuming the level is seen as an overall rating for the entirety of the piece. I would think that someone who plays pieces at this level would be fine with this piece. If you're below it, then it would be a challenge. If you're far below it, then you might want to pass.


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
I'm assuming the level is seen as an overall rating for the entirety of the piece. I would think that someone who plays pieces at this level would be fine with this piece. If you're below it, then it would be a challenge. If you're far below it, then you might want to pass.


Thanks. I'm definitely not at level 7.

I was wondering if this sonata might be graded a bit like Moonlight Sonata---where the first movement is markedly less technically demanding than those that follow. Maybe not the best example for obvious reasons but I think the point is clear enough.

I think the overall difficulty rating from Henle Verlag for all of Moonlight is 7 or so---but the first movement is graded as a 4.

Just wondering how much simpler (if indeed at all) the first movement of the Schubert work might be in the opinion of PW cognoscenti. If overall it is a 7---is the first movement markedly less demanding?

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As a point of comparison, this piece will be significantly more difficult than the Fur Elise and also a good notch more difficult than the first movement of moonlight sonata. If you want to play it, give it a try over some short parts and see how it works for you.

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There are certainly easier and harder movements in various sonatas. I don't know this one personally, but it seems moderately difficult. It is in F#min, there are L hand arpeggio's throughout, and some sections have two R hand voices. It's probably moderate in difficulty; if I had to guess, Henle 5-6 (Henle's system is more difficult than RCM, where it might be a 7-8 or even 9). Just my guess.


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Originally Posted by cmb13
There are certainly easier and harder movements in various sonatas. I don't know this one personally, but it seems moderately difficult. It is in F#min, there are L hand arpeggio's throughout, and some sections have two R hand voices. It's probably moderate in difficulty; if I had to guess, Henle 5-6 (Henle's system is more difficult than RCM, where it might be a 7-8 or even 9). Just my guess.


Thanks. I probably shouldn't wade back into 5 or above territory again for awhile. My last attempt left an impression!

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
As a point of comparison, this piece will be significantly more difficult than the Fur Elise and also a good notch more difficult than the first movement of moonlight sonata. If you want to play it, give it a try over some short parts and see how it works for you.


Thanks. I may try a passage out of curiosity but it may (very very likely) be too much of a stretch to commit the time beeded to play it at this stage.

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Originally Posted by Antihero

Just wondering how much simpler (if indeed at all) the first movement of the Schubert work might be in the opinion of PW cognoscenti. If overall it is a 7---is the first movement markedly less demanding?


I don't know. I do know that, in my personal experience with his pieces thus far, Schubert didn't write anything easy, lol.


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
Originally Posted by Antihero

Just wondering how much simpler (if indeed at all) the first movement of the Schubert work might be in the opinion of PW cognoscenti. If overall it is a 7---is the first movement markedly less demanding?


I don't know. I do know that, in my personal experience with his pieces thus far, Schubert didn't write anything easy, lol.


Haha. It does seem that anything I actually want to learn is more difficult than I'd prefer.

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Haha. It does seem that anything I actually want to learn is more difficult than I'd prefer.

I've been learning for 20+ months and I expect that what you said to be true for me for a few more years.


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Just wondering how much simpler (if indeed at all) the first movement of the Schubert work might be in the opinion of PW cognoscenti. If overall it is a 7---is the first movement markedly less demanding?


I don't know. I do know that, in my personal experience with his pieces thus far, Schubert didn't write anything easy, lol.


Haha. It does seem that anything I actually want to learn is more difficult than I'd prefer.


That's pretty much where I am, as well. 😂 I discussed his one musical moment wih my teacher, and we quickly pushed it to the back of the bus, lol.


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I'd say it's ABRSM grade 7, or RCM grade 9.

What that is in Henle's very hit-and-miss grading is anyone's guess. (Henle's is very, very inconsistent, and I personally wouldn't take it at face value even with a barrelful of salt).


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Jane Mcgrath's book is much more consistant, but it only goes to beginner advanced repertoire. I don't like Henle much either.


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
Originally Posted by Antihero

Just wondering how much simpler (if indeed at all) the first movement of the Schubert work might be in the opinion of PW cognoscenti. If overall it is a 7---is the first movement markedly less demanding?


I don't know. I do know that, in my personal experience with his pieces thus far, Schubert didn't write anything easy, lol.
Schubert wrote many sets of very short pieces called Landler, Waltzes, and German Dances. Most of these are much easier than the sonata movement in question or Schubert's more popular works. For example:
http://waltercosand.com/CosandScores/Composers%20Q-Z/Schubert,%20Franz/Laendler/17_L%c3%a4ndler__D.366.pdf


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True. I still don't find them easy, LOL. More difficult than the Chopin I've played, anyway.


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If you can't find a "professional" rating of the difficulty of the movement in question (with which one may or may not agree), why not just sit down at the piano with it for a while and find out whether it is - or will reasonably be - within your grasp?

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Originally Posted by BruceD
If you can't find a "professional" rating of the difficulty of the movement in question (with which one may or may not agree), why not just sit down at the piano with it for a while and find out whether it is - or will reasonably be - within your grasp?

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