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pain in the wrist #2902976
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i am a 26 year old beginner to the piano. last week i just tried some arpeggios and some hanon exercises.after few minutes its starting to hurt my wrist when i play the arpeggios several time is that something wrong with my techniques or is it some kind of a adaptation period?.your help is highly appreciated.

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Re: pain in the wrist [Re: vibavi attigala] #2902988
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I'm also a beginner. I've also started to feel wrist pain doing Hanon but kept going nevertheless, trusting the instructions in their booklet to the letter. Then I saw this video. I believe I cam close to injuring myself doing Hanons as instructed and had to take 10 days off the piano to (somewhat) recuperate from the wrist inflamation incured.

Watch the video. I offset the start to hilight the link with Hanons, I recommend you first watch from this point. Then resume from the start to understand how to avert wrist pain. I'm by no means an expert but it solved the issue for me. I've been able to practice Hanon drills with rotation without experiencing pain since.

Re: pain in the wrist [Re: vibavi attigala] #2902993
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Quick fix - play a short passage, a few bars and notice how much tension is in the hand and wrist
Then relax the hand completely - it should go floppy
Now try to play the passage again with that floppy feeling in the wrist

You should feel relief in the hand

Another easy way is to break the wrist (high wrist with fingers dropping down) as you go down onto the keys - this is using the arm to play

Another BIG tip is NOT to move the hand until you know where the next note is - Don't forget it is the movement you are practising !!!! - This will help take away any anxiety which will help tension in the hand

An aching wrist/hand is normal after extended play - your hands will harden to it over time
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Pain is always a NO NO !!!!! - rest until it feels ok, then gently resume in a day or 2

I always find short practice sessions done often, is much much better than longer sessions


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Re: pain in the wrist [Re: Tmax100] #2903002
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Originally Posted by Tmax100

I always find short practice sessions done often, is much much better than longer sessions

Amen to that

Re: pain in the wrist [Re: vibavi attigala] #2903055
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Originally Posted by vibavi attigala
i am a 26 year old beginner to the piano. last week i just tried some arpeggios and some hanon exercises.after few minutes its starting to hurt my wrist when i play the arpeggios several time is that something wrong with my techniques or is it some kind of a adaptation period?.your help is highly appreciated.

I think even if you practice in short sessions, if your technique is failing you then it's not really addressing the problem - just not making it worse.

I highly recommend you take a look at Randall Faber's videos on Hanon as well as the previously mentioned video. However, I must warn you that teaching yourself technique can be very difficult if you're not particular attuned to how your body moves and reacts.

Take it slow, and learn to pay attention to the details of what's going on inside, and do lots of videos of yourself and watch them immediately after to compare with what you see Faber and Mortenson are doing, then go back and make another attempt while recording, then watch the video, etc.


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Re: pain in the wrist [Re: Tmax100] #2903122
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Originally Posted by Tmax100


Another easy way is to break the wrist (high wrist with fingers dropping down) as you go down onto the keys - this is using the arm to play


You won't get better advice anywhere.

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Originally Posted by vibavi attigala
i am a 26 year old beginner to the piano. last week i just tried some arpeggios and some hanon exercises.after few minutes its starting to hurt my wrist when i play the arpeggios several time is that something wrong with my techniques or is it some kind of a adaptation period?.your help is highly appreciated.

Assuming you are doing them right you may just be getting tired and that is normal for a beginner but you shouldn't have pain that lasts beyond the point that you stopped playing. Your wrists shouldn't be sore after playing or your technique is off, or you are playing too much too soon and need to break your sessions down to shorter sessions. Always best to consult with a teacher who can observe you in person and guide you from there. I've been playing for over 40 years and still learning. My teachers still guide me by taking my hand and putting my hand and fingers in the proper positions and I am pretty advanced technically. Proper teaching is so important to avoid injury.


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Originally Posted by Tmax100

Another BIG tip is NOT to move the hand until you know where the next note is - Don't forget it is the movement you are practising !!!! - This will help take away any anxiety which will help tension in the hand



This advice is worth repeating. It's counter-intuitive for many, as we tend to move in the general direction and then grope--not good. It actually applies even just for moving from one finger to another. The movement needs to know its destination.


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Originally Posted by jdw
Originally Posted by Tmax100

Another BIG tip is NOT to move the hand until you know where the next note is - Don't forget it is the movement you are practising !!!! - This will help take away any anxiety which will help tension in the hand



This advice is worth repeating. It's counter-intuitive for many, as we tend to move in the general direction and then grope--not good. It actually applies even just for moving from one finger to another. The movement needs to know its destination.

Are you saying it is also good injury prevention to practice slow?


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Re: pain in the wrist [Re: jdw] #2904216
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Originally Posted by jdw
Originally Posted by Tmax100

Another BIG tip is NOT to move the hand until you know where the next note is - Don't forget it is the movement you are practising !!!! - This will help take away any anxiety which will help tension in the hand



This advice is worth repeating. It's counter-intuitive for many, as we tend to move in the general direction and then grope--not good. It actually applies even just for moving from one finger to another. The movement needs to know its destination.

No groping at the piano - always good advice laugh

In all seriousness, I believe that some tension comes from playing before you know what you're supposed to play. But a lot can come from poor technique, too. Slow practice is a good way to learn pieces.


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Re: pain in the wrist [Re: Tmax100] #2904265
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Originally Posted by Tmax100
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An aching wrist/hand is normal after extended play
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I don't agree with this.

Regards,

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One thing that should be considered is referred pain. That is when the pain, or ache occurs away from the cause of the problem. Hand, wrist or fingers problems can be caused by arm, elbow, shoulder or back problems. Yesterday my left thumb started to cause me a little concern, admittedly after lots and lots of exercise. But the problem seems to lie in my left arm above the wrist and below the elbow where the tendons/muscles seems to have tightened up. Massaging that frees up the thumb.


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Originally Posted by vibavi attigala
i am a 26 year old beginner to the piano. last week i just tried some arpeggios and some hanon exercises.after few minutes its starting to hurt my wrist when i play the arpeggios several time is that something wrong with my techniques or is it some kind of a adaptation period?.your help is highly appreciated.

It's something with your technique. Pain in the wrist must not occur at all. Sometimes there might be a pain in your muscles, but not in the wrist.

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Originally Posted by Jethro
Originally Posted by jdw
Originally Posted by Tmax100

Another BIG tip is NOT to move the hand until you know where the next note is - Don't forget it is the movement you are practising !!!! - This will help take away any anxiety which will help tension in the hand



This advice is worth repeating. It's counter-intuitive for many, as we tend to move in the general direction and then grope--not good. It actually applies even just for moving from one finger to another. The movement needs to know its destination.

Are you saying it is also good injury prevention to practice slow?


I was thinking more of not stretching toward the direction of play, whether slow or fast.

Also will second (or third) those who say aching in the wrist is not normal.


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Re: pain in the wrist [Re: BruceD] #2904913
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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Tmax100
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An aching wrist/hand is normal after extended play
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I don't agree with this.

Regards,


I don't agree with this either. I have never had pain from playing, ever after a couple hours.


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Originally Posted by jdw
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Originally Posted by Tmax100

Another BIG tip is NOT to move the hand until you know where the next note is - Don't forget it is the movement you are practising !!!! - This will help take away any anxiety which will help tension in the hand



This advice is worth repeating. It's counter-intuitive for many, as we tend to move in the general direction and then grope--not good. It actually applies even just for moving from one finger to another. The movement needs to know its destination.

Are you saying it is also good injury prevention to practice slow?


I was thinking more of not stretching toward the direction of play, whether slow or fast.

Also will second (or third) those who say aching in the wrist is not normal.

That was a rhetorical question. My teacher is always reminding me to practice slow - and I've made great great strides and it has helped me learn advanced repertoire much quicker than before. But it also is a good way to avoid injury. I agree with everyone here pain in the wrist or anywhere in the body should really not be occurring any time when you play. The only discomfort I may feel is just the hand getting a little tired and to me that also is a warning sign that my technique is a little even with a very difficult piece. Some of it may involve being too "fingery" and not using enough of my entire upper extremity and body and/or I'm not relaxed enough. Piano injuries are real. I just treated a student in piano performance at top 3 music conservatory in the US for bilateral wrist tenosynovitis. It took an entire semester off and 3-4 months of rehab just to get him ready to re-enter his studies this fall.

Try to always work with a qualified teacher in your piano studies. They can be a big help and really not teachers are created equal.

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Re: pain in the wrist [Re: vibavi attigala] #2906513
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I get wrist pain from Time to time in the right hand- I consciously then try to keep very relaxed and find over the next 24 hours it goes back to normal.


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