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Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux #2902779
10/21/19 12:34 PM
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My 2010 MacBook Core 2 Duo had been annoying me for months with sporadic crackling and hanging on Pianoteq. No matter what settings I had on both the OS and Pianoteq, nothing stopped it. There was no pattern and no single process that I could identify as the culprit. I was close to shelling out for a new computer but decided to nerd up and have one last attempt to resolve it.

I did a little research and installed Lubuntu dual boot. It was painless - I didn't need any extra drivers, just one setting change to use the optical out.

That was over a week ago and Pianoteq has worked perfectly since.

It took a couple of hours but saved me an unquantifiable amount of rage and a few £££, so I thought I'd share on the off-chance that someone else may benefit in the future.

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Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: bill_k34] #2902785
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I also have Pianoteq installed under Lubuntu, and it works flawlessly for me as well.


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Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: bill_k34] #2902794
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Lubuntu, not Ubuntu?
Anyway ... I'm not surprised that Linux outperformed Mac OS. It would outperform Windows, too.

I await the day that MS gives up on Windows and replaces the kernel with Linux. Keep the UI, just shove the Linux engine underneath. Nice.

Am I just dreaming? I really think this is a positive direction for MS and for us users.

Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: MacMacMac] #2902799
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Lubuntu, not Ubuntu?


Lubuntu has the lightweight LXDE desktop, so it's better for older machines than Ubuntu with its 'full fat' GNOME desktop.

Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: bill_k34] #2902805
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I've had some issues with this too. I started with the Troubleshooting page, which mentions crackling specifically:
https://www.pianoteq.com/faq?category=pianoteq_troubleshooting

That didn't do it for me, so I did some more poking around and figured out that it's probably Windows, which has some weird issues with a couple of processes maxing out the CPU for no good reason:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/wmi-provider-host-high-cpu-usage
https://blog.pcrisk.com/windows/12373-svchostexe-process-causing-high-cpu-usage-how-to-fix-it

I'm still messing around with it ...


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Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: bill_k34] #2902813
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I have an old HP laptop that my niece was complaining was dead slooow! So I bought her a new one and removed Windows 10 and put Bodhi Linux on it, it's an ubuntu based distro. It uses Moksha an enlightenment desktop. Works great with pianoteq. I mostly use it to edit band videos using Pitivi


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Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: TheophilusCarter] #2903627
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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
I've had some issues with this too. I started with the Troubleshooting page, which mentions crackling specifically:
https://www.pianoteq.com/faq?category=pianoteq_troubleshooting

That didn't do it for me, so I did some more poking around and figured out that it's probably Windows, which has some weird issues with a couple of processes maxing out the CPU for no good reason:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/wmi-provider-host-high-cpu-usage
https://blog.pcrisk.com/windows/12373-svchostexe-process-causing-high-cpu-usage-how-to-fix-it

I'm still messing around with it ...


I think my problem was due to various background processes but I could never pin it down to one, killed the ethernet, wifi, iCloud, etc. and no joy.

Maybe you should have a bash with Linux - who dares wins!

Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: bill_k34] #2903638
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This is peculiar ... because Pianoteq is a lightweight on resources. Back in the day (ten years agl) it ran fine on my total POS Dell Duo from 2005 running Win XP in 2 GB of RAM.
That laptop even ran full Kontakt with multiple sampled pianos simultaneously ... with no crackles (using a Presonus Audiobox for latency reduction).

OTOH, your nine-year-old Mac is a bit long in the tooth. I'd say it's time for a replacement.

Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: MacMacMac] #2903789
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
...your nine-year-old Mac is a bit long in the tooth. I'd say it's time for a replacement.


Bill's initial post suggests his Macbook may still have a little more life left in it.


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Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: bill_k34] #2903807
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Originally Posted by bill_k34


Maybe you should have a bash with Linux - who dares wins!


I might just do that. I'm not super great with computers, but I have a close pal who is, so I'll probably hit him up for some help.


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Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: TheophilusCarter] #2903829
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Originally Posted by bill_k34
Maybe you should have a bash with Linux...


Nice pun! wink


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"I agree that the User Manual is very good." - arc7urus, March 2019
Re: Pianoteq Crackling on Old Macbook - Solved with Linux [Re: bill_k34] #2903833
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If you run Linux you most definitely have a bash, right? smile
Originally Posted by bill_k34
Maybe you should have a bash with Linux.


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