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Re: Are you lonesome playing the piano?
Music Me #2902465 10/20/19 06:06 PM
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No, I never get lonely on my piano. That's my little world, just me and my clavinova. The enjoyment I get from playing has little to do with how good (or not) I am. I love the sound of it, and the fact that I am making that sound, and can make it any way I want, is very satisfying to me. Of course I want to learn, so I can play more music, better music, but the enjoyment of just one bar that happens to have a 'heavenly sound' is why I play.

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Originally Posted by malkin
If I ever feel lonely, I know I can come to the forums and argue about instruments, methods, teachers, or the true definition of sight reading!!

Or whether you can learn on a digital, grands vs uprights, Chopin vs Liszt, and so on!


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I am in a concert band! I play clarinet and hope to be able to cover the piano parts as well within the next year. Playing with other people is definitely something I need. Honestly, I have never really enjoyed practicing clarinet much, unless I am playing along with band or orchestra recordings. Piano is a joy to practice alone though, probably because you can play a complete song, not just a single voice.

I also just got back from my first ‘piano meetup.’ That was a great experience and I look forward to more.


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I enjoy just playing piano but I would love to do something more collaborative with it, too. I did learn some piano duets with my daughter (and even submitted one to the Slavic recital last year) and also learned accompaniments to a few of her flute pieces but there's only so much time. I used to play duets with a colleague but he left town. I do attend a monthly piano club but everyone plays solo pieces there. It does add a bit of a social aspect to my piano experience but I'd like something more like a chamber group perhaps or a regular duet partner...But then it's hard enough to find time to practice my solo pieces, so I don't know. So, yes, I do feel a little lonely at times even though I adore piano (and I don't play any other orchestra or band instruments).

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WeakLeftHand #2902536 10/20/19 09:55 PM
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+1 for never lonely. Piano is a total immersion experience. Requires everything I have mentally. No stray brain cells left to feel loneliness.


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I do play with a music group. We started with around 25 people 10 years ago and today the group is around 40. We have enough players of various instruments that some of us can easily get a smaller ensemble together involving various instruments for playing duets, trio, quartets, etc. Everybody in the group has a main instrument. The lady who sometimes play keyboard parts is a cello player. And once we had someone perform piano concertos and he is a clarinet player.

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Count me among those who are never lonely. I don't get on with most musicians or pianists I have met because I think too differently about music, and I have no desire to expose my playing to all and sundry. I am not at all antisocial and if asked I play I usually do, but it is inessential to my purpose.


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I used to play in bands in the days when you didn't need much knowledge. It came with the job; you got better, you worked more.
Band folded, I played in working men's clubs backing artista, and stuff. Then solo, in restaurants.
That was strange. Like playing to a virual audience. You're ignored, like you're not there. And if you are acknowledged, it's because someone wants to turn the experience into a karaoke. Or enable their little girl to show off her piano skills.
I preferred the virtual audience. Until a guy was suggesting how to dispose of someone, with his dad. He said he'd never had such a meaningful conversation with him before; the bottles of red were many.
I left. Never went back.


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This fall I joined a piano group at a local school, conservatory prep so to speak. We are four students and a teacher, two of the others are the same age as my children (about 20 years), one is a middle aged beginner who dreams of becoming a composer later on, and so it is me, oldest of them all, a "happy amateur" of about the same skill level as the young ones. We dedided early that we would have lessons in a group instead of sitting in private with the teacher, and we all agree that this lesson form is very beneficial. One of the young students first was quite bothered by having an "audience" while sitting at the piano but she overcame it. It is very good training, you get feedback from everyone, you get used to have people literally hanging over your shoulder while you play, and you learn so much from watching the others - including the beginner. So in this way I get much more lesson time than I paid for and it is really fun. I also plan to make a four-hand project with one of my co-students. Our cooperation works so well that we even had one lesson without our excellent teacher, and it was fun anyway, we played for each other and gave feedback, had a really good time. We have also had other listeners on our lessons.

And on lunch break we talk and talk about music ... And last week we had a special week with harpsichord studies in a church, it was much more fun and interesting than I had expected it to be.
So I consider myself lucky to have got this chance. It definitely enriches my piano experience in many ways and I think I learn so much from it. I highly recommend this "masterclass" approach, especially for people who suffer from performance anxiety.

And I am still very happy when I am all alone with my piano. I just think that social interaction is very good for your development as a musician. I also believe that many of us think we only need to play for ourselves, but if you ever get the chance to play for someone else and discover that your playing is appreciated, you know how good it feels.

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Originally Posted by bennevis
When I was a student......,. Also, I occasionally sing Schubert Lieder while accompanying myself on the piano. (If Elton can do that with his songs, so can I with Franz's whistle). Just simple songs like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-VqK088TF4

Ah, one of my favourites. I have a book of Schubert Lieder and that particular one is nice to play, including playing the melody at the same time (which needs a bit of leaping / altering which hand plays which bit etc., but I tend not to sing whilst playing - far too upsetting for those within earshot!)
For some reason it also brings to mind Vaughan Williams' 'Linden Lea -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5ChDbpJTbo which I'm sure you know. A piano version of that (not too complicated so that hacks like me can play it) I think would be very pleasant - not sure I'd want to sing it though.

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Play rock music. You can play in a band and do gigs at bars and theaters and make a few bucks (just a few). There is ALWAYS a demand for rock keyboardists, at least in my area.

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Reading through some of these posts, it looks like a lot of people here are quite introverted and like that very much about the piano. I'm an introvert myself and like to be alone, but not all the time I guess. Maybe I'm a mix of introvert and extrovert, depending on the day.

My friends and I considered joining the School of Rock, where you have lessons and play in a rock band, with a guitar or two, bassist, drummer, keyboardist, but guess what? Everyone was a keyboardist and no one wanted to be a bassist! So that didn't fly.

There's an older adult beginner concert band in my area, called New Horizons, and they take absolute beginners, so it piqued my interest. I'm a returner to band actually but prefer no stress. It would offer me the opportunity to play music with other people. Originally, they said they were for senior adults, but over time, they reduced the age description because I guess younger adults were also interested in joining.


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I've heard good things about New Horizons...good luck!


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You might look for a piano duet partner

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand

There's an older adult beginner concert band in my area, called New Horizons, and they take absolute beginners, so it piqued my interest. I'm a returner to band actually but prefer no stress. It would offer me the opportunity to play music with other people. Originally, they said they were for senior adults, but over time, they reduced the age description because I guess younger adults were also interested in joining.

Documentary about New Horizons made me want to pick up a clarinet for the first time since fourth grade, to be able to play in an ensemble like this.

Alas, after a couple of lessons on a rented clarinet, I decided that I didn't have time for two instruments. Maybe later...


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If you look up introvert in the dictionary - there's my picture. But that doesn't mean I am not social. I think of myself as self-sufficient. I don't need much interaction with others. But I enjoy being challenged by playing in public and for friends and family.

My wife plays clarinet in several groups and a concert band. But wind and string instruments are not as self-sufficient as the piano. The piano can be its own accompaniment - not so the clarinet. A concert band or wind ensemble is a great illustration of the saying "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts". Something magical happens (usually) when they come together and play. As long as you keep your expectations in line with the groups overall abilities...

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand

My friends and I considered joining the School of Rock, where you have lessons and play in a rock band, with a guitar or two, bassist, drummer, keyboardist, but guess what? Everyone was a keyboardist and no one wanted to be a bassist! So that didn't fly.


But ... bass is the Second Objectively Best Instrument!!! shocked shocked shocked


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Originally Posted by Sam S
My wife plays clarinet in several groups and a concert band. But wind and string instruments are not as self-sufficient as the piano. The piano can be its own accompaniment - not so the clarinet. A concert band or wind ensemble is a great illustration of the saying "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts". Something magical happens (usually) when they come together and play. As long as you keep your expectations in line with the groups overall abilities...

Have you tried out any clarinet+piano repertoire with her?









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My friends and I considered joining the School of Rock, where you have lessons and play in a rock band, with a guitar or two, bassist, drummer, keyboardist, but guess what? Everyone was a keyboardist and no one wanted to be a bassist! So that didn't fly.



I've heard that too: that is was difficult to find someone who played bass. Maybe because it lacks the glamour of guitar? At a similar school I've seen, the instructor often plays bass if no one else steps up for that role. But the other observation I've made is; they often don't have keys either.

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Originally Posted by petebfrance
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When I was a student......,. Also, I occasionally sing Schubert Lieder while accompanying myself on the piano. (If Elton can do that with his songs, so can I with Franz's whistle). Just simple songs like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-VqK088TF4

Ah, one of my favourites. I have a book of Schubert Lieder and that particular one is nice to play, including playing the melody at the same time (which needs a bit of leaping / altering which hand plays which bit etc., but I tend not to sing whilst playing - far too upsetting for those within earshot!)

After I started playing Schubert Lieder on the piano without singing (to avoid frightening the locals), I heard this on the radio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJxcbOK62eU

With good finger control, you only need to jump hands once, otherwise tune and chordal accompaniment are all played with RH.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5ChDbpJTbo which I'm sure you know. A piano version of that (not too complicated so that hacks like me can play it) I think would be very pleasant - not sure I'd want to sing it though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOKfBbp9HJA

It's quite feasible to do the same with this song - play both the tune and all the accompaniment without leaving out any notes, the same as with An die Musik. Or, you can just leave out most of the passing notes and simplify some of the RH chords.


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