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Baldwin: The End of an Era! #2902175
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Actually, the era ended in 2008, but it looks like the USA-built Artist models have finally been removed from the product website:

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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Retsacnal] #2902281
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Kudos to Baldwin! Founded during the civil war in Cincinnati they have been through many phases and it still looks like they are putting out very nice pianos. Over 150 years - that's saying something.


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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Progman] #2902328
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Yes! I haven't yet played the newest Baldwins, but I hear good things about them. smile



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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Retsacnal] #2902332
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Maybe I should've titled the thread, "The Dawn of a new Era." But, truth be told, that era has already started too. It's just that I noticed yesterday that the "Artist" models were no longer on the website.



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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Retsacnal] #2902362
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Apart from few exceptions, I actually liked the Chinese made models somewhat better than their original U.S. made counterparts. It's just very difficult when transplanting a U.S. marque elsewhere and at same time trying to keep the original identity. Nobody in China had ever heard of Baldwin and our own market here has been steadily declining. Perhaps Parsons decided to give some other makes they produce preference or priority? Or was it a money thing? Sad to see the name go anyways...

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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Retsacnal] #2902414
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I've never even touched a Baldwin grand piano, never seen one in real life, American or Chinese. I've played on some of the uprights they've got kicking about here but they're all clapped out so I don't know what I think of them.

It's a little sad that the factory no longer exists in the USA. Were Baldwin on a par with Steinway here? I know that Bolet preferred them in the USA and Bechstein in Europe.

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Originally Posted by joe80
I've never even touched a Baldwin grand piano, never seen one in real life, American or Chinese. I've played on some of the uprights they've got kicking about here but they're all clapped out so I don't know what I think of them.

It's a little sad that the factory no longer exists in the USA. Were Baldwin on a par with Steinway here? I know that Bolet preferred them in the USA and Bechstein in Europe.
Seriously Joe, I hope that you will be able to play a handful of not-so-late model Baldwin SF10s and SD10s during your stay in the US. The 25 year old SF10 in our church sanctuary was tuned this past week, and I had an opportunity to run my fingers over the keyboard this morning. Wonderful action (Renner) and overall scale design. The piano really sings and is a joy to play. Forty five years ago I performed recitals on a nine foot Baldwin concert grand. Obviously a different action and scale design than a Steinway D, but no less powerful and expressive.

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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Retsacnal] #2902534
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Here's an old post on classicalmusicguide.com that lists a bunch of Baldwin Artists.

http://www.classicalmusicguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=37527



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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Retsacnal] #2902620
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Here's an old post on classicalmusicguide.com that lists a bunch of Baldwin Artists.

http://www.classicalmusicguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=37527


Interesting list. Thanks.


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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Retsacnal] #2903116
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My music school purchased all Baldwin in the early 70s when that other American company was having production problems.

The grands (all 5'8", 7', or 9') were on par with the rival. I liked the smaller one, especially, much better than the competitor's product.

Baldwin had a much different signature sound, though.

I take it that they are now done with Chickering and Howard branding?
The uprights are still using Acrosonic and Hamilton.



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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: WhoDwaldi] #2903132
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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
Baldwin had a much different signature sound, though.


Indeed. When I was a kid, the only high-end pianos I ever played were Baldwins. I don't ever remember seeing a piano from "that other American company" in the area were I grew up. Thus, the sound of a Baldwin grand is the sound I associate with good pianos. Those other pianos mostly sound thin and sometimes harsh to me, though some of them are a joy to play.


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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: joe80] #2903726
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Originally Posted by joe80
I've never even touched a Baldwin grand piano, never seen one in real life, American or Chinese. I've played on some of the uprights they've got kicking about here but they're all clapped out so I don't know what I think of them.

It's a little sad that the factory no longer exists in the USA. Were Baldwin on a par with Steinway here? I know that Bolet preferred them in the USA and Bechstein in Europe.


That's not quite true. I've heard Bolet playing on Baldwins in the late 80s here in Europe.

And I am so grateful that Bechstein was bought back by a German piano maker from Baldwin back in '86, otherwise there wouldn't be any German made Bechsteins anymore.

Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Retsacnal] #2904231
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My son played a concert on an older Baldwin SD-10 back in .... 2007. It had a nice sound, but it was rather subdued for its size. Couldn't see it really filling a large concert space. Could have been it's state of maintenance, I suppose.

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The Chinese made Baldwin I played was impressive. It was a 6'2" grand. Medium touch, real ebony sharp keys. Almost bought it (new), but ended up with a late model C2X for a lower price.


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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Retsacnal] #2904897
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I played on a 6-footish Baldwin grand at my weekly piano lesson today (the normal room we use, with its small Boston grand) was coopted.

I liked the Baldwin better.


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End of an era, but a happy start for myself, thanks to our "new" 1987 SD-10, that now resides in Brazil.
Now I know why american grandpianos have been so famous for, at their best production ages.
I'll try to post pictures of our new piano here.
We are so happy and gratefull.
Best wishes to all.


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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
I played on a 6-footish Baldwin grand at my weekly piano lesson today (the normal room we use, with its small Boston grand) was coopted.

I liked the Baldwin better.

Interesting! Was that a new Baldwin, or one of the Artist models?



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Re: Baldwin: The End of an Era! [Re: Piano.Brazil] #2908670
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Originally Posted by Piano.Brazil
End of an era, but a happy start for myself, thanks to our "new" 1987 SD-10, that now resides in Brazil.
Now I know why american grandpianos have been so famous for, at their best production ages.
I'll try to post pictures of our new piano here.
We are so happy and gratefull.
Best wishes to all.


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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
My music school purchased all Baldwin in the early 70s when that other American company was having production problems.

The grands (all 5'8", 7', or 9') were on par with the rival. I liked the smaller one, especially, much better than the competitor's product.

I've heard others share similar stories, including at least one tech here.

Many people specifically prefer the Baldwin M to Steinway's S. I think the smaller Artist models (M, R, & L) historically were strong contenders. And, if I'm not mistaken, Larry Fine essentially rated the SF10 equal to Steinway's B until the former went out of production in 2008. And many folks love the SD10, including Dr. Rogers and Piano.Brazil as noted above.



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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
When I was a kid, the only high-end pianos I ever played were Baldwins.

It turns out that my earliest piano exposure was also to Baldwin. I have a cousin who is a decade older than me. He visited a while back and noted that our piano was "a Baldwin, 'of course'," which sort of took me by surprise.

My paternal grandmother grew up in Covington, KY, just over the river from Cincinnati, and apparently there was some sort of Baldwin connection in the family. He said that our family "always buys Baldwin" (although I'm the only family member I know who even has a piano). He confirmed that our piano when I was a kid was a Baldwin.

Anyway, both my parents are gone, and my grand parents are long gone, and my mother sold our piano in 1980 (for $600, because my younger brothers wouldn't stop banging on it). All that to say, that I'd lost this bit of family lore. I remember the sales price because although my mom sold it to a friend, she ended up feeling like she'd been cheated, so it came up a few times.



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