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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: MusicalDudeist] #2901203 10/17/19 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MusicalDudeist
The problem with those off-topic stories was that they were stated directly in the first post as an attempt to derail the topic. Apparently CG decided for everyone else that we didn't need to talk about the Nord Grand in that thread anymore. Rather than simply moving on to threads that discussed topics he wanted to discuss, he decided to try to short circuit other people's continued discussion. So yes, I reported those comments. It was completely unnecessary and malicious to intentionally try to derail someone else's thread.

You should use the word "N1X" at least once to be on-topic.

My N1X is black. There. Done.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2901206 10/17/19 10:25 AM
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If someone decides they actually want to talk about the N1X they can start another thread. This one is closed.

Edited to add

OK, reopening. Neither I nor any of the other moderators have the time to go through and delete off topic posts, there are simply too many posts on the forum and we all do this on a voluntary business (read: we have lives too).

So let's keep a useful thread going and keep it on topic please.

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2901304 10/17/19 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

My N1X is black.


Is the back shiny, or is it roughly finished?

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Originally Posted by BB Player
If someone decides they actually want to talk about the N1X they can start another thread. This one is closed.

Edited to add

OK, reopening. Neither I nor any of the other moderators have the time to go through and delete off topic posts, there are simply too many posts on the forum and we all do this on a voluntary business (read: we have lives too).

So let's keep a useful thread going and keep it on topic please.


Yay! Thank you BB Player for reopening this thread. Very much appreciated!


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Thanks, BB.

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I've now had my N1X for 7 months and I still love it, zero regrets on purchasing it!


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Good decision BB Player. Now everybody chill. smile.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2901926 10/19/19 05:23 AM
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I’ve noticed how we obsess over pivot lengths, sample sizes, modeling aggregates, and such; however, very little attention is given to processing/computing power and efficiency as it relates to digital pianos.
For example, the N1X is black (staying on topic), but could there also be more processing power under the hood as it compares to the N1?
This is purely anecdotal, but some here (I’m looking at you, CG) were underwhelmed with the N1 yet crazy about the N1X. This perceived superiority is attributed to ‘better samples and VRM’, but what if the true improvement has more to do with horse power?

And hear me out, the most noticeable difference we perceive when transitioning from a digital to an acoustic is how much more responsive and immediate the latter feels. Could this be the result of inherent latency in under-powered digitals that, whilst not visible to the human eye, is nonetheless there (like dark matter), and we simply get accustomed to it until an acoustic reveals the limitation by comparison?

So, why are we not as obsessed about processing power/efficiency as we are with sample size?

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Pete, it sounds like you're talking mostly about latency? I don't think older pianos were lacking in that regard, they are just as immediate as current gen pianos at producing sound (from finger-to-ear). Yes, you need more horsepower, or processing power and memory (be it RAM or ROM) to play larger samples, calculate and mix in resonances, switch between sample sets, etc.

But the increased "horsepower" just serves the purpose of enabling these new features; I don't think you could stick a modern SOC/ASIC on an older DP and benefit at all from the faster speed (other than maybe decreased boot times).


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Yes, but I’m talking about latency that we do not necessarily perceive in terms of hitting a key and waiting for the sound. I’m talking about a more subtle form of latency that we do not initially perceive yet is nonetheless there.
We can agree that a lot is going on in terms of calculations at any giving moment, and I wonder if some compensation is needed, in under-powered systems, and if this leads to that subtle but real phenomena.

I’m talking from a layman’s perspective, but I’m just genuinely curious about this dark matter that is elusive to lab tests yet still there.

Can latency be be both existent and not existent at the same time? Can a photon be both wave and particle? Can I be here and there simultaneously? So many questions..... smile

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Pete, are you sure you want to inquire here at Piano World? Perhaps, instead, you might look to Fantasy Island for answers.

Or maybe you're just pulling our legs? smile

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Pete14] #2901970 10/19/19 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete14
Can a photon be both wave and particle? Can I be here and there simultaneously?

I think you and I are already in agreement that Pianoteq is a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Pete14
Can a photon be both wave and particle? Can I be here and there simultaneously?

I think you and I are already in agreement that Pianoteq is a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered.

I agreed to that at the same moment Pete thought it - and across unfathomable distance with zero transmission time. Delightfully entangling.

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Guys, we need to pull this thread back in:
So, I hear the N1X uses longer samples...... wink

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Yes, but I’m talking about latency that we do not necessarily perceive in terms of hitting a key and waiting for the sound. I’m talking about a more subtle form of latency that we do not initially perceive yet is nonetheless there.
We can agree that a lot is going on in terms of calculations at any giving moment, and I wonder if some compensation is needed, in under-powered systems, and if this leads to that subtle but real phenomena.

I’m talking from a layman’s perspective, but I’m just genuinely curious about this dark matter that is elusive to lab tests yet still there.

Can latency be be both existent and not existent at the same time? Can a photon be both wave and particle? Can I be here and there simultaneously? So many questions..... smile


That's a good question. I think a serious response to this is: "Is there a way to measure such subtle phenomena?" If we can measure it, it's likely we can understand and reproduce it.

This brings to mind the debate about whether there is anything other than hammer velocity that determines the tone of an attack tone? It seems a good number of people believe there is (some kind of aftertouch or way the key is depressed with *feeling* or *emphasis*), but physics tells the only thing that matters is the velocity which the hammer strikes the string...


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Originally Posted by Pete14

And hear me out, the most noticeable difference we perceive when transitioning from a digital to an acoustic is how much more responsive and immediate the latter feels. Could this be the result of inherent latency in under-powered digitals that, whilst not visible to the human eye, is nonetheless there (like dark matter), and we simply get accustomed to it until an acoustic reveals the limitation by comparison?

As someone who switches between Kawai Novus NV10 and Mason & Hamlin BB (7' grand acoustic) daily - I don't think it is the latency in the digitals. Kawai Novus NV10 feels just as responsive and immediate to me as the BB. The biggest difference is in sound reproduction with speakers and projection. Somehow, the digital speakers (even when as loud as the grand) do not convince the mind that the sound is coming from hammers hitting the strings. It seems somehow recorded and reproduced (which it is) in a different room than I am in. Even when I reduce the reverb to 0, the sound just doesn't sound 'complete' as if it is naturally produced in the room that I am.

I haven't had a chance to play N1X - but when I played N3X, it felt closest to the grand in terms of sound reproduction.

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So, why are we not as obsessed about processing power/efficiency as we are with sample size?


Who says we are not? smile I think the audio amplifier/speaker and processing is one of the weakest factors of the current generation highest end Hybrids (Novus and AvantGrands).

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"digital speakers" ?

What's a digital speaker?


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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
What's a digital speaker?
Silly audio marketing term with the same common meaning as "speaker".

Osho might have meant to write "digital piano's speakers"

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