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There was a time when I could pop into a cafe and order a cup of coffee. Depending on the establishment, it was either good, very good or rubbish. Now, I'm shown a wall menu with 16 different varieties, some of which are recent inventions.

There was a time when I asked for a tin o' baked beans, and you got Heinz. Porridge, and it was Scott's or Quaker Oats. Bread? Brown or white. Ice Cream? Tub or cone, or wafer sandwich. Nail polish? lipstick? Good grief!!!! Church? Anglican Catholic or Methodist. Bike? Steel, Aluminium or Carbon fibre, (Thief worthy) Mountain or Road? By now you'll know where this is going.

Piano? DP. Or VST and Controller. Which one? . . . . . . . (bangs head against wall, swears. Swears louder, wishes he hadn't banged it on the external corner)

Y'know, I used to sit on the acoustic uptight and play it. Never went out o' tune, never needed maintenance; then again, I wasn't doing Beethoven or Rachmaninov.
I'm not doin' it now, either! I clonk away on my own stuff, and others around Grades 5 or 6, for pleasure and have decided that this is where my future lies. Frees me up for other stuff.

Do I need to play thinking "That doesn't sound right!", adjust, and do the same thing the next day? I've enjoyed my pianos, but with VSTs there's so much choice you can go crazy. I can even go crazy with PTeq Stage, so that's how bad it's become!

I'd love to get back to basics, AP (silent) or DP but now fear I'm too far in. Too critical, too discerning. No, that's obviously not the right word. . . .maybe we just look for faults and are more bothered by them than previously, more influenced by "onwards and upwards!"

If my missus had been like that, she'd never have married me.

Now, it's comin' up to my B'day, so we look for a suitable eatery. You hardly call them cafes, or even restaurants now. Anything but. Bistro's OK, but I want simple fare. Something off the menu for example, that the Titanic ran, on it's maiden (and only) voyage, (without the underwater views) would be fine. Pub food, nicely cooked, with veg. Gone out o' fashion. Gastro-pubs are what we have now. With Chunky Chips.

What have we become? Am I really too old? 'Cos it's gonna get WORSE!!


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So ... what's your message?
(a) There are too many (needless?) choices?
(b) There are too many extraneous things in this life that serve only as distractions from what really matters?
(c) Something else?

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(d) all of the above


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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By the way Pete how old are you going to be?


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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Originally Posted by peterws
... I used to sit on the acoustic uptight and play it.


Haha... "acoustic uptight"... Love it!!

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I'm a Septo . . . . smile in denial.


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I certainly hear you; we used to get something, and then make the most of it. Nowadays, there is very little patience, and stuff does not even get used to its full potential, before it is discarded in favour of something else.

I like having many choices, both for myself, and for the more philosophical point of allowing more diversity in the world. Unfortunately, it seems as if this motion towards ever more choice is being followed by a motion towards ever less appreciation of what we have, and ever less depth.

There will be countermoves in the future. Life is weirdly cyclical.


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What you mean "we" piano man? (said in my best Tanto voice). smile

Humans have a great capacity to adapt to change. Nostalgia is the exact opposite of that adaptability. Nostalgia is a double edged sword. On one hand, we cherish the "good old days" which we often reflect on with rose-colored glasses. On the other hand, we lament the change that the future brings as we perceive our good old days fading into the past. I'm not much for lamenting. I embrace the plethora of choices available to me even if it means a bit more frustration in making the "right" choice. The future is just the next good old days waiting to happen. I was born into the perfect time and place to experience life as massive change occurs. I've never wanted to be in the past or in the future.

If you perceive it's only gonna get worse, it probably will - for you. Maybe "we" can find a different way of looking at it. smile I wish you well in that journey.


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Going to get Pub Food in the UK was one of my favorite things where I used to travel there in the 90's. Play some darts too. I love some of the new technology, but I don't buy lot's of stuff. I will totally get a nice DP within about 5 years - in addition to a nice acoustic. I am really intrigued by the CVP - it just looks so fun!

I'm a decade behind you Peter. Learning piano made me much more aware of how my brain operates. I figured out this last year that I am happiest when I am in the present - like when learning piano. All the other stuff I don't get the least bit bothered about. Best drug ever!

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I have a friend who furiously scrambles for the past. He spends tens of thousands of dollars buying computers from decades ago. His reason is, life seemed "simpler then."

I revel in the here and now. If I had a time machine, there is no question I would dial it forward a good many years. Maybe even a few thousand.

I try to understand my friend, but I just don't. When did change become bad?


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Good presentation on how/why more choice can leave us unhappier than fewer choices would...

https://www.ted.com/talks/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice

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The only things about the past that I pine for are my youth and health.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I revel in the here and now. If I had a time machine, there is no question I would dial it forward a good many years.


This may be nitpicking, but these two statements seem contradictive: if you were reveling in the here and now, why would you ever bother going forward in time?


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I revel in the here and now. If I had a time machine, there is no question I would dial it forward a good many years.


This may be nitpicking, but these two statements seem contradictive: if you were reveling in the here and now, why would you ever bother going forward in time?

Thanks. I should restate- I revel in the present and what is yet to come. The past in and of itself, doesn't hold as much meaning for me, however, the inspired creations of the past (musical works, art, etc.) do hold a lot of meaning.


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A lot of hobbies are like this, but probably none more so than the world of midi piano players. You get the ridiculousness of $200 gold plated audio cables combined with the wine sipping 4 hour discussions of recreating the Horowitz tone colour, and then throw in some argument about RAM timing and SATA configuration for good measure. It's the perfect storm.

It's fun in it's own way I'm sure but probably a rabbit hole best avoided if your goal is primarily to just play piano.

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Originally Posted by AndrewJCW
A lot of hobbies are like this, but probably none more so than the world of midi piano players. You get the ridiculousness of $200 gold plated audio cables combined with the wine sipping 4 hour discussions of recreating the Horowitz tone colour, and then throw in some argument about RAM timing and SATA configuration for good measure. It's the perfect storm.

It's fun in it's own way I'm sure but probably a rabbit hole best avoided if your goal is primarily to just play piano.


I'd say this is a good description. Progress can, of course, be excellent. It's motivated, accelerated by need, greed, finances - and war.
Unfortunately, the British piano and furniture manufacturers who built the Hurricanes and Lancaster Bombers of WW2 don't even make pianos or furniture any longer.
I don't have a longing so much for the past. Just reflecting that perhaps, the overwhelming choices available at every level, every turn, can prevent us enjoying the here and now.
I like playing piano, writing songs, books, painting pictures on my old Windows 7 Q-book. And plying the hills around my town on my non carbon fibre bike. And steam trains still charge up and down the main lines through my town. With the increased cost of service trains, they're almost up for commercial competition.
But it's a pain seeing so many food products; the nature, and taste of which I never heard of. Too many to get through in this life!
It is a wonderful time to be around, no doubt about it esp. if you're retired and in decent health. Others no longer with us would say the same about the roaring twenties, etc etc.
But me and 'er both reckon keeping it simple frees up so much wasted time. And nobody argues with 'er!
Oh, and I forgot to say. I got an excellent setting for the PT Petrof which I hope will see me through tomorrow at least . . .

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Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

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The first thing I thought of when seeing the topic of this thread:



...they don't make music like that any more. :\

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Good presentation on how/why more choice can leave us unhappier than fewer choices would...

https://www.ted.com/talks/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice


I enjoyed this. And closely identified with his conclusions.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
When did change become bad?


When it achieved almost no tangible benefit for anyone. Change for the sake of it. Change that exists only so someone can claim they changed something. Change that unsettles people and makes them feel insecure. Change that alters peoples' relationships with each other for the worse. Change that requires unnecessary and time consuming learning just so the change can happen.

That's when.

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