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K300 or NU1x #2900848
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I need some help. I am an adult learner playing for about one year. I am taking lessons from a private teacher and I play mostly beginner classical pieces. My teacher has a Kawai 5 foot 6 baby grand and although I love the resonance it’s very loud. I live in a townhouse and I would be afraid to disturb my neighbors.

It’s time to upgrade from my Yamaha P-45. I have tried many digital and acoustic pianos. I really like the action on the Yamaha NU1X although the piano seemed a little bright and there is no control from what I can see to make it less bright. Still it was very enjoyable and I can get that piano delivered to my small music room in the second floor of my townhouse for a decent price.

The other piano I like in the Kawai K300 acoustic. What a joy it is to feel the resonance from an acoustic piano. My family is not too thrilled about having an upright downstairs. My fear is that the K300 will be too loud. My music teacher says to get an upright piano.

I am afraid if I don’t get the upright I will always want an acoustic piano. And what happens as I progress with classical music. My fingers are very strong already from playing the guitar for 50 years.

Thank you in advance. I know only I can make the final decision.

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I have the same situation.

I have an acoustic upright, and a digital. I prefer the upright, but play/practice most (like 90%) on the digital because i also live in a townhouse.

I plan to soundproof a room upstairs and put the upright there so it can be my main piano. An acoustic is great, but kind of a waste if you can't play it.

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Originally Posted by RubyC
I am afraid if I don’t get the upright I will always want an acoustic piano. And what happens as I progress with classical music. My fingers are very strong already from playing the guitar for 50 years.

You're at an age where you should get what you want so you can have no regrets. (I'm at that age too, BTW! smile ) Lots of arguments can be made why the N1UX will perfectly suit your needs, and how to address the brightness issue (one way would be to not use the CFX voice), but if you really feel the K300 pulling at your heartstrings, and if it's within your budget, I'd say get it and negotiate with your family (and/or neighbors) after the fact. Your teacher will be happy, but most importantly, you will be happy.


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Why not a silent acoustic (Kawai ATX, Yamaha SC or SH etc.)?

That satisfies your acoustic resonance lust but you can still practice at night without inciting a riot among your family and neighbors.

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I did not know about the silent pianos. I do know the black K300 has a silencer built in. The salesman showed up by pressing the center pedal and sliding it I think left the piano got almost silent but the feel was not good at all, at least to me. Yes, in a townhouse there is no place to hide from the sound of an acoustic piano. When we were younger and had a house you could definitely go into the next room or out in the backyard. I wonder too, as we get on more with age, if we ended up in a 55+ condo how much better the NU1X will fit in. It’s a pretty remarkable piano. I just wish there were more configuration settings a user could make. It seems pretty stripped out but the next Avante Grand up models were pricey, as the Novus 10. I was told the Novus 5 upright will not be available for another year and I don’t want to wait.

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Get the NU1X, use it to control a VST (software piano). If the NU1X has "line in" jacks, you could use its speakers to play the VST sounds.

Most VST's have "tone quality" controls; if the tone is too bright, you can change it.


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Re: K300 or NU1x [Re: RubyC] #2900895
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Originally Posted by RubyC
I was told the Novus 5 upright will not be available for another year and I don’t want to wait.


Really? One of our forum members already got to try one out in a store in the Netherlands.

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Re: NV5, I think availability now in the EU, end of year (so a couple of months) in the US?


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Salesman told me the NV5 was going to be announced at NAMM in February and then he would have it closer to the end of year. Sometimes I don’t know what to think with piano salesman?

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Originally Posted by RubyC
Sometimes I don’t know what to think with piano salesman?

cow patties? wink

Yeah, I think what U3piano and Gombessa said are right. One member already has sat down and tested on in a Dutch piano store. Kawai James, who works for Kawai has reported shipments to stores over the next few months. The product is already announced. It may be demo'ed again at any point but it isn't going to be un-announced and re-announced. smile

That salesman seems to want to sell just what he already has in stock.


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Originally Posted by RubyC
I did not know about the silent pianos. I do know the black K300 has a silencer built in. The salesman showed up by pressing the center pedal and sliding it I think left the piano got almost silent but the feel was not good at all, at least to me.


No, that's a muffler that works by inserting a piece of felt between the hammers and strings. It's pretty barbaric.

You want to be looking for AURES, ATX3, TransAcoustic, SC2 options.

https://kawaius.com/product/k300-aures/
https://kawaius.com/product/k200-atx3/
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/transacoustic/ta2/index.html
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/silent_piano/sc2/index.html

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Originally Posted by navindra
Originally Posted by RubyC
I did not know about the silent pianos. I do know the black K300 has a silencer built in. The salesman showed up by pressing the center pedal and sliding it I think left the piano got almost silent but the feel was not good at all, at least to me.


No, that's a muffler that works by inserting a piece of felt between the hammers and strings. It's pretty barbaric.

You want to be looking for AURES, ATX3, TransAcoustic, SC2 options.

https://kawaius.com/product/k300-aures/
https://kawaius.com/product/k200-atx3/
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/transacoustic/ta2/index.html
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/silent_piano/sc2/index.html

Those options indeed rather nice, but are more expensive than the typical silent acoustical systems. An average simple silent acoustical piano is a lot less expensive than an Aures or TA.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: K300 or NU1x [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2900937
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Those options indeed rather nice, but are more expensive than the typical silent acoustical systems. An average simple silent acoustical piano is a lot less expensive than an Aures or TA.


Aren't the ATX-3 and SC2's those manufacturers standard silent models ?

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The NU1X does have other less bright voices, although personally I don’t find the CFX voice to be bright. There are also a load of additional adjustable parameters accessed via the Smart Pianist app; but I don't know if they are saved across power cycles; this was also raised in the N1X thread but not answered yet. The acoustic will need more care for environment (humidity, temp, sun, neighbours, tuning), but may be more enjoyable. I would also consider the K500, and Novus NV5 if budget allowed.

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Originally Posted by dhts
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Those options indeed rather nice, but are more expensive than the typical silent acoustical systems. An average simple silent acoustical piano is a lot less expensive than an Aures or TA.


Aren't the ATX-3 and SC2's those manufacturers standard silent models ?

Sorry, you may be right about that and I was probably wrong. I was focused on the Aures and the Transacoustic, which are definitely more upscale.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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Originally Posted by RubyC
Salesman told me the NV5 was going to be announced at NAMM in February and then he would have it closer to the end of year. Sometimes I don’t know what to think with piano salesman?


It's true that some piano shops may not order an NV5 until later, or be given an allocation from the first shipment.

When I was shopping, my piano shop told me the NV-10 would be announced at NAMM Feb (2018), and he actually had one in stock late Jan before NAMM started (someone else bought that one before I could go in to try it).


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Originally Posted by navindra
You want to be looking for AURES, ATX3, TransAcoustic, SC2 options.

My experience playing the K300 and K500 silent versions was that the touch feels different than the non-silent version, even when playing in non-silent mode. It is not dramatic, but is noticeable. There have been several threads on why there is a difference, but I can't remember the explanation.


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Originally Posted by navindra
Originally Posted by RubyC
I did not know about the silent pianos. I do know the black K300 has a silencer built in. The salesman showed up by pressing the center pedal and sliding it I think left the piano got almost silent but the feel was not good at all, at least to me.


No, that's a muffler that works by inserting a piece of felt between the hammers and strings. It's pretty barbaric.

You want to be looking for AURES, ATX3, TransAcoustic, SC2 options.

https://kawaius.com/product/k300-aures/
https://kawaius.com/product/k200-atx3/
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/transacoustic/ta2/index.html
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/silent_piano/sc2/index.html



Barbaric ?
I loved the felt on my K300 just as I love it in my current upright.
My K300 had the ATX2 silent system but I usually preferred playing with felt instead.

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Originally Posted by RubyC
Salesman told me the NV5 was going to be announced at NAMM in February and then he would have it closer to the end of year. Sometimes I don’t know what to think with piano salesman?


The Winter NAMM 2020 show will be held from 16th~19th January. As the salesman noted, Kawai America will exhibit the NV5 at the show, and the instrument should be available for dealers to order shortly after.

The salesman's estimate of "end of the year (2020)" seems quite a long way off, but there may be reasons for providing this schedule - it's certainly not my intention to undermine the information provided by the salesman. If you are interested in the NV5, it might also be worth contacting Kawai America directly to enquire about estimated availability dates.

I hope this helps.

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Thank you. Tonight I played a Yamaha P-515. It had 2 Yamaha monitors hooked up to a Focus-rite audio interface and a laptop running Ivory Pianos Steinway program. It sounded wonderful and I was able to play trills in my beginners Mozart sonatina. I think that route is less than half the NU1X and I really want to see the NV5. So maybe I will wait and the worse is I will have 2 pianos p, one upstairs and one downstairs, or sell the Yamaha P-515 if The Novus 5 is much better. That VST piano is something else.

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