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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
LolaFan #2900537 10/15/19 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LolaFan


Speaking of detours, I’m not as adventurous as CG is, so let me stay on the main road and say that I also own a N1X and just finished opening it up and fixing those d**n pins! It used to do a slight cracking sound right before being completely closed, as has David also mentioned, but is now dead silent and centered with no play of the fallboard. However the procedure turned out to be not so trivial and I wouldn’t have opened the piano at all should I have known what it takes. Disconnecting the top speakers cable before fully removing the top board was the trickiest part. Ultimately I did it by slightly raising the rear part of it with one hand so that I can barely put my other hand inside and disconnect it. One also need to detach a black protective cloth by unscrewing it and then two pairs of other screws to remove the vertical board facing the player and above the fallboard. That cloth is a clever thing to protect the internals of the piano from dust and had already gathered a lot in the inward arch that it makes including a few dead insects! I think cleaning the piano this way from time to time would be beneficial.

Take care! And stay on the road!


Adjusting the fallboard soft-close mechanism doesn't require removing the top board or any further disassembly. Did you have another reason to disassemble your N1X beyond just removing the fallboard to adjust the soft-close mechanism?

BTW. When I did disassembled my N1X just to see what it looked like inside, I found it more difficult putting the top board back on.

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Originally Posted by TomLC
It’s all Greek to me....


Me too. Here’s the locked Nord thread for anyone trying to decipher the comments here:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2897057/1.html

To get back on topic, what happened to folks with a non-functional una corda pedal? Did Yamaha assist?

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Originally Posted by LolaFan


Speaking of detours, I’m not as adventurous as CG is, so let me stay on the main road and say that I also own a N1X and just finished opening it up and fixing those d**n pins! It used to do a slight cracking sound right before being completely closed, as has David also mentioned, but is now dead silent and centered with no play of the fallboard. However the procedure turned out to be not so trivial and I wouldn’t have opened the piano at all should I have known what it takes. Disconnecting the top speakers cable before fully removing the top board was the trickiest part. Ultimately I did it by slightly raising the rear part of it with one hand so that I can barely put my other hand inside and disconnect it. One also need to detach a black protective cloth by unscrewing it and then two pairs of other screws to remove the vertical board facing the player and above the fallboard. That cloth is a clever thing to protect the internals of the piano from dust and had already gathered a lot in the inward arch that it makes including a few dead insects! I think cleaning the piano this way from time to time would be beneficial.

Take care! And stay on the road!


Adjusting the fallboard soft-close mechanism doesn't require removing the top board or any further disassembly. Did you have another reason to disassemble your N1X beyond just removing the fallboard to adjust the soft-close mechanism?

BTW. When I did disassembled my N1X just to see what it looked like inside, I found it more difficult putting the top board back on.

God Bless,
David

Wow, David, you’re right, I feel so stupid! Well, achievement unlocked anyway: managed to disassemble and then assemble the N1X and it even works now laugh

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
David B #2900545 10/15/19 06:42 PM
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Ohh, BTW, previously when opening the fallboard, in its fully open position it would press against only the left rubber bushing and I could press the right upper corner and observe how there’s play in it too. By removing the vertical panel (the one with the rubber bushings) and then attaching it again I could align it very precisely so the fallboard now rests nicely on the bushings with a better double-sided thump that can be felt.

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Congrats on the N1X, Mr. Lafan. You should try running Pianoteq, but be advised, once you go ‘teq everything else goes to heck. Your friend, CG, has not yet warmed up to Pianoteq, but it’s just a matter of time for him to come full circle. blush

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Originally Posted by LolaFan
Ohh, BTW, previously when opening the fallboard, in its fully open position it would press against only the left rubber bushing and I could press the right upper corner and observe how there’s play in it too. By removing the vertical panel (the one with the rubber bushings) and then attaching it again I could align it very precisely so the fallboard now rests nicely on the bushings with a better double-sided thump that can be felt.


Cool!

I never checked my fallboard and vertical board bushing alignment. I'll have to check that when I got home in a few days. I kind of wish you didn't give me another OCD item to check. blush

God Bless,
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Originally Posted by Pete14
Congrats on the N1X, Mr. Lafan. You should try running Pianoteq, but be advised, once you go ‘teq everything else goes to heck. Your friend, CG, has not yet warmed up to Pianoteq, but it’s just a matter of time for him to come full circle. blush


Did Tyrone also join the ranks of Pete1-13? If not, the official list and count of N1X owners needs to be updated, stat.

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Hello, my n1x arrived yesterday and overall I'm pleased with it. One thing that bothers me is that, the piano sometimes makes a subtle high pitched buzzing sound?(more noticable at louder volume). I've found that a reliable way to reproduce this is to play C4 and C5 at the same time. I don't experience this when I plug in the headphones. And it looks like it only happens when I play the CFX Grand sample. Has anyone else experienced this? Is this normal?

Another issue is when I press the pedal, the pedal box bends up and down quite a bit.
Should I be concerned?

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Hello, my n1x arrived yesterday and overall I'm pleased with it.

Welcome to PW and the N1X Owner's Club thumb

Originally Posted by kiwon0905
One thing that bothers me is that, the piano sometimes makes a subtle high pitched buzzing sound?(more noticable at louder volume). I've found that a reliable way to reproduce this is to play C4 and C5 at the same time. I don't experience this when I plug in the headphones. And it looks like it only happens when I play the CFX Grand sample. Has anyone else experienced this? Is this normal?

Another issue is when I press the pedal, the pedal box bends up and down quite a bit.
Should I be concerned?

The big clue here is that you don't hear this on headphones. This makes it seem as if it is a resonance effect from the speakers.

Check all the screws/bolts are tight, check that the floor is absolutely level or you are using the provided felt pads for the N1X feet to exactly level the N1X and eliminate any slight wobbling.

And lastly, this could be a room acoustic thing. Try pushing the N1X to another position in the room (for example, closer or further from a wall) and see if you still get this parasitic buzzing. Make sure the new position is at least 1.5 meters from the old position so you will hear any differences. In both positions, turn the speaker volume up to the same, relatively high, level.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Originally Posted by kiwon0905


Another issue is when I press the pedal, the pedal box bends up and down quite a bit.
Should I be concerned?


There is a stabilizer on the bottom of the pedal box. Screw it down so that it touches the floor and the pedal box will stop moving.

God Bless,
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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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TS, I noticed you did not welcome Mr. Lafan (LolaFan) to the N1X Owners’ Club.

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TS, I noticed you did not welcome Mr. Lafan (LolaFan) to the N1X Owners’ Club.

Hmmmm.... Must have been an oversight. wink


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The mixture of wood and the pcb boards gives the overall impression of a skilled hobbyist making these pianos in their garage on spec for friends, rather than being something manufactured in any kind of volume.

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So LolaFan is CyberGene, but just posting with another handle?

I'm not sure that's allowed, is it?

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
So LolaFan is CyberGene, but just posting with another handle?

I don't know why I should reveal personal details but seems I need to respond to the accusations before being banned unfairly. I am his brother. Unless it's forbidden to talk about my brother (CG) or his piano, I don't see how that's against the rules.

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Fantastic pics, Mr. "LolaFan"

It strikes me that Yamaha uses a classical fiber optic run (looks like there might be a mile of fiber in those bundles) on the N1X. This is probably the same design they started with the GranTouch.

Kawai, OTOH, has surface mounted optical emitters/sensors on PCBs for the Novus:

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A different approach to the same problem. A bit more integrated and less manual labor IMO, but also less DIY-friendly if you're looking to adjust the trigger points yourself wink


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It seems like the Yamaha sensors are more serviceable versus the Kawai. Bad sensor? Pop it out, and put in a new one, whereas on the Kawai it looks like you'd either need a new board or at least a soldering gun.

And I agree with KevinM, the Yamaha definitely looks more hand crafted than the Kawai, which looks more manufactured. This is just an observation with no judgement, I don't think it makes one better than the other (except potentially for ease of servicing, hand build will usually be easier.)


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