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Help me choose my next DP #2900375
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I had a 5 years old PX-150 which died (internal power supply). Repair is expensive, so considering an upgrade instead.

I have VST + External monitors connected, so only care about the action. I thought of buying VPC-1 but it is not available locally.

Here are some example prices around here:

Yamaha P255 - 1640 USD
Yamaha P515 - 1950 USD
Roland FP-60 - 1640 USD
Roland FP-90 - 2550 USD
Kawai MP7SE - 2200 USD


Yes, I will go and try, but would appreciate some prior advice.

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Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: idfpiano] #2900393
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Originally Posted by idfpiano
I thought of buying VPC-1 but it is not available locally.

Really? What country are you in? Because if you can buy an MP7SE, it means Kawai is working in your country and I'd be shocked if you couldn't order a VPC-1 from the same dealer/distributor even if that dealer/distributor doesn't carry it in-stock and has to order it from abroad.


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Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: idfpiano] #2900394
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If you already use VST / monitors I would strongly urge you to see if there's a way for you to get hold of a VPC1 - it is awesome !

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Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
If you already use VST / monitors I would strongly urge you to see if there's a way for you to get hold of a VPC1 - it is awesome !


Buying a VPC1 means I will have to wait for a month+ for the Piano to be delivered(rather than buying something which on stock tomorrow). There's only one store importing Kawai products, so service etc would likely be an issue as well.

How different is the action between P515 and a VPC1?

Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: idfpiano] #2900401
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Originally Posted by idfpiano
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If you already use VST / monitors I would strongly urge you to see if there's a way for you to get hold of a VPC1 - it is awesome !


Buying a VPC1 means I will have to wait for a month+ for the Piano to be delivered(rather than buying something which on stock tomorrow). There's only one store importing Kawai products, so service etc would likely be an issue as well.

How different is the action between P515 and a VPC1?

Is your current DP completely non-working? Why would it be difficult for you to wait a month or two when you can get years of enjoyment from the right DP and suffer substantial misery with the wrong one? (Not criticising - or not much laugh - just trying to understand)


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: idfpiano] #2900402
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Since you have everything in place already I think it makes sense to wait for VPC-1.

I cant imagine it would take a whole month to get one. Where do you live?


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Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2900403
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Is your current DP completely non-working? Why would it be difficult for you to wait a month or two when you can get years of enjoyment from the right DP and suffer substantial misery with the wrong one? (Not criticising - or not much laugh - just trying to understand)


Yes. It does not turn on at all.

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Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: Learux] #2900404
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Originally Posted by Learux
Since you have everything in place already I think it makes sense to wait for VPC-1.

I cant imagine it would take a whole month to get one. Where do you live?


In Israel. Customs here is a bottleneck and there is only one store importing it.

Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: idfpiano] #2900408
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Originally Posted by idfpiano
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Is your current DP completely non-working? Why would it be difficult for you to wait a month or two when you can get years of enjoyment from the right DP and suffer substantial misery with the wrong one? (Not criticising - or not much laugh - just trying to understand)


Yes. It does not turn on at all.

I see. Emergency situation then. Assumed you checked for fuses and checked the power supply? About 8 months after I bought my Roland FP30, its power supplied died and had to be replaced. Similar situation - the FP30 wouldn't turn on.

Well, I tried both the VPC1 and the P515 the store. I decided the MP11SE was better (but much more expensive) than either of them, but the VPC1 had a better action (although it is heavier) than the P515. Do you prefer heavier or lighter action?


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: idfpiano] #2900410
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Of those listed, my choice would be clear …. MP7SE.


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Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: idfpiano] #2900417
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If you like the VPC1, order one with the store and ask for a loaner piano while you wait on customs to do their job.


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Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: Learux] #2900421
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Originally Posted by Learux
If you like the VPC1, order one with the store and ask for a loaner piano while you wait on customs to do their job.

That's a great idea, Learux.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: idfpiano] #2900437
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Originally Posted by idfpiano
Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
If you already use VST / monitors I would strongly urge you to see if there's a way for you to get hold of a VPC1 - it is awesome !


Buying a VPC1 means I will have to wait for a month+ for the Piano to be delivered(rather than buying something which on stock tomorrow). There's only one store importing Kawai products, so service etc would likely be an issue as well.

How different is the action between P515 and a VPC1?


Quite different - personally I loved the VPC1 and hated the 645 which has the same action as the 515.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
[...]Why would it be difficult for you to wait a month or two when you can get years of enjoyment from the right DP and suffer substantial misery with the wrong one?
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Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: dmd] #2900457
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Originally Posted by dmd
Of those listed, my choice would be clear …. MP7SE.


So, do you think Kawai RH3 synthetic action is better than Yamaha NWX wooden one?

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Originally Posted by dmd
Of those listed, my choice would be clear …. MP7SE.


So, do you think Kawai RH3 synthetic action is better than Yamaha NWX wooden one?


I have no opinion about which one is "better".

I played the Yamaha P515 and the action seemed fine.

I returned it because of personal issues with the sound/tone.

I have played the Kawai CA68, the ES7, the ES8 and the MP11SE.

The action has always been very good.

I am confident the action on the MP7SE will be very good.


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While I loved the VPC1 I can see how some would find it slow / heavy feeling - I would suggest that you try out an MP11 or equivalent if possible to see how you like that.

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If your PX-150 has an internal power supply (it plugs into the wall, no "power brick"), ignore this post.

According to its specs, the PX-150 runs on 12 volts DC, and uses an _external_ power supply. That's the same as my PX-350.

I'm sure there are power splitters and voltage regulators inside the case, and they might have died, and that's an expensive repair:

. . . If it uses an external power supply, are you _sure_ that the external supply is OK ?

. . . If it uses an external power supply, and the connection between the DP's power jack, and the motherboard, is bad,

. . . . . that would be an easy fix.


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Re: Help me choose my next DP [Re: Charles Cohen] #2900480
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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
If your PX-150 has an internal power supply (it plugs into the wall, no "power brick"), ignore this post.

According to its specs, the PX-150 runs on 12 volts DC, and uses an _external_ power supply. That's the same as my PX-350.

I'm sure there are power splitters and voltage regulators inside the case, and they might have died, and that's an expensive repair:

. . . If it uses an external power supply, are you _sure_ that the external supply is OK ?

. . . If it uses an external power supply, and the connection between the DP's power jack, and the motherboard, is bad,

. . . . . that would be an easy fix.


Yes, for my Roland FP30, I just ordered another power brick off the Internet and it was back running a few days later. I would not assume that because your DP is not responding, that it is an expensive fix, if there is an external power supply.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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Originally Posted by dmd
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Of those listed, my choice would be clear …. MP7SE.


So, do you think Kawai RH3 synthetic action is better than Yamaha NWX wooden one?


I have no opinion about which one is "better".

I played the Yamaha P515 and the action seemed fine.

I returned it because of personal issues with the sound/tone.

I have played the Kawai CA68, the ES7, the ES8 and the MP11SE.

The action has always been very good.

I am confident the action on the MP7SE will be very good.


So you played on Kawai keyboards with synthetic action (ES7, ES8) and wooden ones (CA68, MP11SE). Have you found big differences between the two types (synthetic vs wooden)?

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