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Do the Moscow or St Petersburg etc. conservatories have something like a fixed syllabus? Is it available somewhere, in whatever language?

(I'm not talking about occasional remarks about 1880s or 1950s customs but about the current, or reasonably current, state. I also don't mean to follow it, no fear.)

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Re: Moscow conservatory syllabus? [Re: Barly] #2899477
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Yeah, it's "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" and after that "Mary had a Little Lamb" wink


I would also be interested in seeing the syllabus in English—just out of curiosity not any future plans. Is this not available?


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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Yeah, it's "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" and after that "Mary had a Little Lamb" wink


Aha, this order and not the other way around! I knew it!

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Originally Posted by dogperson
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Yeah, it's "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" and after that "Mary had a Little Lamb" wink


I would also be interested in seeing the syllabus in English—just out of curiosity not any future plans. Is this not available?


Nothing against that, but as I indicated, any language will do, jokes excepted, in Google Translate times.

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I visited the conservatory in 1994, and spoke to a few piano students. I remember one student was working on Ludus Tonalis.

The general level of musicianship is on a different planet when compared to the West. Students will have been trained since childhood at special schools in things such as writing down difficult four part harmony after listening to a recording, or analysing music by ear. The difference in Russia is the level of difficulty of the assignments. They need to be fluent sight-readers, and their technique needs to be extremely good, as technique is not discussed in lessons -you don't show up with a piece you can't already play. There are however teaching assistants who can help out if a student is having problems with a piece.

The entrance tests assess a whole range of musical skills, and if you don't do well on all of these, it doesn't matter how well you play.

The repertoire is much the same as in any western conservatory. It's not all virtuoso pieces but students need to learn a broad range of pieces from the standard repertoire.

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For an overview on old Soviet conservatory training (excluding the elite conservatories) see:

Piano Study in Soviet-Russian Schools of Music, Walter Robert

Journal of Research in Music Education
Vol. 12, No. 3 (Autumn, 1964), pp. 199-211

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Originally Posted by johnstaf

The general level of musicianship is on a different planet when compared to the West. Students will have been trained since childhood at special schools in things such as writing down difficult four part harmony after listening to a recording, or analysing music by ear.



Yes, I should include those music high schools in my question, actually.

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I know a woman who attended one of those musical schools in Poland from age 11-17. Children in schools were tested for musical ability (I don't know how), and she was selected. She trained as a pianist, but studied medicine at university instead.

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I found the entrance requirements on the Moscow conservatory website (in Russian) but not the actual syllabus.

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Originally Posted by dumka1
I found the entrance requirements on the Moscow conservatory website (in Russian) but not the actual syllabus.


Exactly.

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I've mentioned on PW that when my wife attended a Moscow music school for piano, pupils were required to practice 4 hours a day, which when you are 6-7yo, is rather intense.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I've mentioned on PW that when my wife attended a Moscow music school for piano, pupils were required to practice 4 hours a day, which when you are 6-7yo, is rather intense.


Which school was that? Does she play anymore? My teacher attended Gnessin.


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Originally Posted by LarryK
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I've mentioned on PW that when my wife attended a Moscow music school for piano, pupils were required to practice 4 hours a day, which when you are 6-7yo, is rather intense.


Which school was that? Does she play anymore? My teacher attended Gnessin.

I don't know. I can ask her.


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Andrei Gavrilov provided very good description of top level Soviet music school education in his autobiography (provocative but honest IMO).


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Here is an extract from a translation of the Soviet Music School Syllabus from 1964.

It doesn't apply to the elite conservatories like Tchaikovsky Conservatory or the Gnessin School, but it's interesting nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Here is an extract from a translation of the Soviet Music School Syllabus from 1964.

It doesn't apply to the elite conservatories like Tchaikovsky Conservatory or the Gnessin School, but it's interesting nonetheless.

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That WAS interesting. Thanks for posting.


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Originally Posted by LarryK
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I've mentioned on PW that when my wife attended a Moscow music school for piano, pupils were required to practice 4 hours a day, which when you are 6-7yo, is rather intense.
Which school was that? Does she play anymore? My teacher attended Gnessin.

My wife says Gnessin is a conservatory for college students and postgraduates. It is not a children's music school as I was talking about. Graduates of children's music schools are accepted to the Russian conservatories, however.


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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
Originally Posted by johnstaf
Here is an extract from a translation of the Soviet Music School Syllabus from 1964.

It doesn't apply to the elite conservatories like Tchaikovsky Conservatory or the Gnessin School, but it's interesting nonetheless.

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That WAS interesting. Thanks for posting.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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I've mentioned on PW that when my wife attended a Moscow music school for piano, pupils were required to practice 4 hours a day, which when you are 6-7yo, is rather intense.
Which school was that? Does she play anymore? My teacher attended Gnessin.

My wife says Gnessin is a conservatory for college students and postgraduates. It is not a children's music school as I was talking about. Graduates of children's music schools are accepted to the Russian conservatories, however.


There's actually a children's Gnessin school as well (very selective, for particularly talented children where conservatory professors teach):
http://www.gnesinka.com/ru/o-shkole/

I graduated from one of the regular Soviet children's music schools in the late 1980s (not the elite specialized ones, like the Gnessinka, where your study of music is integrated with your regular school curriculum and which lead directly to a conservatory, but a regular one, which each Soviet city had a lot of--and after which you'd need to go to a musical college before entering a conservatory if you wanted to continue). It was an 8-year, 7-grade program (with an optional preparatory year). You had to pass through a rather basic audition to get in (clapping to the rhythm, etc. :)). They still gave good foundations, and we did have a variety of subjects (sightreading, solfege/theory, chorus, and accompaniment, in addition to piano or other primary instrument; those playing other instruments were required to take basic piano). We had 3 piano exams per year, 2 performance exams and one "technical" exam (scales and terminology) in the middle of the year.

The syllabus above seems to refer to that 4-year musical college (uchilishche), it specifies that students are admitted after 7 grades of that children's music school. A conservatory training would be a 5-year program, like all the higher education degrees at the time.

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