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Re: How To Find A Good Teacher [Re: RmntcPianoLvr] #2898938
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Good teachers also have a lot of demand, therefore, they do not want to deal with problematic students. They will get rid of those kinds of students (the students that you mentioned). But before they can do that, they need to be a successful teacher first to make people want to take lesson from them. At the end of the day, bad teachers will end up with problematic students whom nobody wants to take. That is why it is very important to see the fruits.

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Re: How To Find A Good Teacher [Re: RonaldSteinway] #2899072
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Originally Posted by RonaldSteinway
Good teachers also have a lot of demand, therefore, they do not want to deal with problematic students. They will get rid of those kinds of students (the students that you mentioned). But before they can do that, they need to be a successful teacher first to make people want to take lesson from them. At the end of the day, bad teachers will end up with problematic students whom nobody wants to take. That is why it is very important to see the fruits.

That's a very simplistic view of the world. What if you are a great teacher who is stuck in an area with stupid kids? Or very few kids? Or 476 other great piano teachers?

I end up with problematic students whom nobody wants to take. Does that make me a bad teacher?


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Re: How To Find A Good Teacher [Re: RonaldSteinway] #2899132
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Originally Posted by RonaldSteinway
Good teachers also have a lot of demand, therefore, they do not want to deal with problematic students. They will get rid of those kinds of students (the students that you mentioned). But before they can do that, they need to be a successful teacher first to make people want to take lesson from them. At the end of the day, bad teachers will end up with problematic students whom nobody wants to take. That is why it is very important to see the fruits.


If good teachers get rid of difficult students, then how do you know if they are good in teaching you by just looking at their students in recitals? Some people are harder to teach because of other reasons than lazyness. Imo good teachers can also sometimes help a student who struggles with time or motivation issues. Especially when learning is slow or there are learning difficulties, the teachers's skills are really put into the test. Those who can help such students to enjoy their journey and reach at least some of their goals are great teachers imo, no matter how "badly" they students may do in a recital. Sometimes it can be a huge win to just get them to perform. I've also heard that some teachers don't allow everyone to perform so that they don't look bad.

I think it's fine to wean out all the unmusical, stupid, slow learners or whatever people label the poor students if the goal is to develope professional musicians. But it is rarely so in private teaching these days so I think we should evaluate how the teacher works, not how the students play. Some people seem to put all the responsibility on the (paying) student which I find odd. A very narrow way of teaching where the teacher's role is purely technical and no people skills or understanding of different needs of the students are required.

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Re: How To Find A Good Teacher [Re: AZNpiano] #2899220
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Originally Posted by AZNpiano

That's a very simplistic view of the world. What if you are a great teacher who is stuck in an area with stupid kids? Or very few kids? Or 476 other great piano teachers?

I end up with problematic students whom nobody wants to take. Does that make me a bad teacher?


Your statement is not realistic! People will drive from afar to take lesson from a great teacher. Great teachers will attract good students. You know that, for you have been in the industry for a long time. The reason you need to take problematic students because you have openings for them, good teachers have no time.

Re: How To Find A Good Teacher [Re: outo] #2899221
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Originally Posted by outo


If good teachers get rid of difficult students, then how do you know if they are good in teaching you by just looking at their students in recitals? Some people are harder to teach because of other reasons than lazyness. Imo good teachers can also sometimes help a student who struggles with time or motivation issues. Especially when learning is slow or there are learning difficulties, the teachers's skills are really put into the test. Those who can help such students to enjoy their journey and reach at least some of their goals are great teachers imo, no matter how "badly" they students may do in a recital. Sometimes it can be a huge win to just get them to perform. I've also heard that some teachers don't allow everyone to perform so that they don't look bad.

I think it's fine to wean out all the unmusical, stupid, slow learners or whatever people label the poor students if the goal is to develope professional musicians. But it is rarely so in private teaching these days so I think we should evaluate how the teacher works, not how the students play. Some people seem to put all the responsibility on the (paying) student which I find odd. A very narrow way of teaching where the teacher's role is purely technical and no people skills or understanding of different needs of the students are required.


Students are like a stock portfolio, you keep the good ones and get rid the bad ones. I have never known teachers who are so eager to keep the bad ones.

Re: How To Find A Good Teacher [Re: RmntcPianoLvr] #2899231
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Judging students is a very strange way to classify teachers as good or not good. It is not difficult to be a good teacher to a motivated, open-minded, musical and diligent student. It is much harder to be a good teacher to someone without musicality, who is autistic, or has Down's syndrome, or ADHD, who needs to be motivated to practise, etc. Some teachers actually have a special place in their heart for challenging students and if they succeed in teaching those students to play the piano, that is a huge accomplishment. In my book, a good teacher can work with anybody, with the talented and with those much less talented.


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Re: How To Find A Good Teacher [Re: RonaldSteinway] #2899282
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Originally Posted by RonaldSteinway
Students are like a stock portfolio, you keep the good ones and get rid the bad ones. I have never known teachers who are so eager to keep the bad ones.

These "teachers" are more interested in making themselves look good so they can demand a higher fee.

In my opinion, a great teacher can teach anybody.


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Re: How To Find A Good Teacher [Re: AZNpiano] #2899377
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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Originally Posted by RonaldSteinway
Students are like a stock portfolio, you keep the good ones and get rid the bad ones. I have never known teachers who are so eager to keep the bad ones.

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In my opinion, a great teacher can teach anybody.



I agree, but would add an "almost" to the can teach anybody.


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