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Book Rebinding - Clothbound #2898864
10/10/19 07:33 AM
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Can anyone recommend a service that will rebind music books to clothbound, or "library binding"? I am aware that local "office" stores can rebind to comb or sprial binding, but I can do that myself at home. What I'm wanting is to rebind some books with so-called "perfect binding" (that name has to be a joke) to something more like Henle's high-end binding.

Somebody has to be doing this, as libraries seem to have it done pretty often. A few months ago I picked up a rebound volume of Chopin's Etudes, an old Schirmer edition that a library had rebound. It's absolutely wonderful! The binding is durable and it sits open on the music desk without recourse to clips or braces or the strong nuclear force. I'd love to get several other volumes rebound in that manner.

Thanks much!


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Re: Book Rebinding - Clothbound [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2898887
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I’m thinking that that is not possible because once you cut off the perfect binding, you wind up with single sheets and not folded signatures. That’s why cheap spiral binding can be used after cutting off a perfect binding. You need the folded signatures to sew with a sewing machine in order to create a sewn book, as far as I know. I published a book of my black and white photographs in a class and went to the printing plant for a tour. They happened to pick my book as the demo. My book was three signatures of twenty pages each. Using an odd number of signatures makes the book fall open to the middle. I saw how they sewed and glued my book versus the edge gluing for perfect bound books.

Anyway, I could be wrong about all this, perhaps someone else knows better.

P.S. Perfect binding is the cheapest way to bind books. My books were a lot more expensive than the books made by people who chose perfect binding, so much more expensive per book that I have no hope of turning a profit on the sale of my books. A sewn book needs cover material over the boards and end papers, a perfect bound book does not have those things.

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Re: Book Rebinding - Clothbound [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2898888
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“Perfect binding” usually means that each page is a single sheet, with page edges glued together at the spine of the book. The more flexible bindings you describe are generally sewn bindings, where each two-page spread is a double-width piece of paper, folded and sewn at the spine. Sewn bindings are more flexible and more durable, can be re-bound more easily, but are more expensive to begin with. Unfortunately, if your book is perfect-bound (glued single sheets), it is usually not possible to sew those pages together.


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Re: Book Rebinding - Clothbound [Re: Qwerty53] #2898891
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Originally Posted by Qwerty53
“Perfect binding” usually means that each page is a single sheet, with page edges glued together at the spine of the book. The more flexible bindings you describe are generally sewn bindings, where each two-page spread is a double-width piece of paper, folded and sewn at the spine. Sewn bindings are more flexible and more durable, can be re-bound more easily, but are more expensive to begin with. Unfortunately, if your book is perfect-bound (glued single sheets), it is usually not possible to sew those pages together.


My recollection from touring the printing plant is that perfect bound books are also composed of glued signatures, groups of folded pages. Once glued, there is no way to get back to signatures you can sew, as far as I know. You cut off the perfect binding and wind up with single sheets.

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Re: Book Rebinding - Clothbound [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2898899
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If the spine and binding are in good condition, you can have the entire book bound. As a gift at the beginning of the summer, I had a bible I gave my sister as a child rebound in Italian calfskin for her when it turned out she was still actively using it 40 years later, every Sunday. It did cost so many times more than the original book I bought for her as a kid, but the situation here is different since one doesn't need Italian calfskin for book of sheet music smile

You should do a search for "book bindery" in Yelp and you will find places that should be able to quote you for the work.

As mentioned above, if the book is already just composed of loose sheets, then it might not be possible.


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Re: Book Rebinding - Clothbound [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2898918
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If the spine and binding are in good condition, you can have the entire book bound. As a gift at the beginning of the summer, I had a bible I gave my sister as a child rebound in Italian calfskin for her when it turned out she was still actively using it 40 years later, every Sunday. It did cost so many times more than the original book I bought for her as a kid, but the situation here is different since one doesn't need Italian calfskin for book of sheet music smile

You should do a search for "book bindery" in Yelp and you will find places that should be able to quote you for the work.

As mentioned above, if the book is already just composed of loose sheets, then it might not be possible.


Here is a link that says it cannot be done because they cut the spine before gluing, so, while the book is assembled as folded sheets, it winds up as single sheets. Now that I think about it, I remember them performing this operation with a huge shearing machine before gluing. See:

https://www.bibledesignblog.com/blog/2013/11/can-a-glued-binding-be-turned-into-a-sewn-binding.html

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Re: Book Rebinding - Clothbound [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2898935
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Well, that stinks. I wish music publishers had more extensive clothbound options. I hate "perfect" binding with a passion. I'm probably in a minority on this but they're certainly losing my business.

IMSLP + laser printer + comb binder gives me much more usable results than perfect binding.


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Re: Book Rebinding - Clothbound [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2898964
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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
Well, that stinks. I wish music publishers had more extensive clothbound options. I hate "perfect" binding with a passion. I'm probably in a minority on this but they're certainly losing my business.

IMSLP + laser printer + comb binder gives me much more usable results than perfect binding.


I'm afraid that it is not economically feasible for music publishers to produce clothbound editions because the print runs are too small, and their customers will not pay the prices required. It's hard to make money in book publishing. Raising the price of the printed book just makes it that much harder.

If you want to order good quality bookbinding supplies, you can order them from TALAS, https://www.talasonline.com , a bookbinding supply company in Brooklyn, NY. They're the best in the industry, I think. I bought a beautiful black bookcloth from them for my books. They have a dizzying selection of bookcloth. Even with bringing my own backcloth to the printer, it still cost me about $30/book to print and bind my little sixty page book of black and white photographs. It was so much fun, though, and they printed the photographs as true duotones, so there were no problems with color shifting because they did not print with color inks.

The little printing house in New Jersey that we used would also do a run of any size, I believe, so, you could conceivably send them an order to print say a dozen clothbound editions of a book of sheet music. You'd have to do the design work in InDesign, and send them the files, and work out a quote. Perhaps you could get some people on to commit to buying the books but it seems unlikely. I could dig up the name of the company if you're interested. Their big HP Indigo printer produces output that is far better than any desktop printer.

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Re: Book Rebinding - Clothbound [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2899011
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[quote=Dr. Rogers

. A few months ago I picked up a rebound volume of Chopin's Etudes, an old Schirmer edition that a library had rebound. It's absolutely wonderful!

I suggest you contact your local library and see who they use for binding. I had a wonderful bindery when I was in NJ, and they rebound all sorts of material.

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Re: Book Rebinding - Clothbound [Re: Dr. Rogers] #2899042
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Schirmers used to sell hardbound volumes about 40 years ago. The Kirkpatrick Scarlatti Sonatas were available in one volume.


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Re: Book Rebinding - Clothbound [Re: BDB] #2899059
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Originally Posted by BDB
Schirmers used to sell hardbound volumes about 40 years ago. The Kirkpatrick Scarlatti Sonatas were available in one volume.


I think Peters had some too, like the Beethoven Sonatas, Bach WTC, other "staples."


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