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What would you like us to review? #2898406
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Hello PW digital forum folks,

Just a quick poll of the "studio audience": What digital piano gear would you like to see reviewed next by the Piano Buyer, that's new to the market? For that matter, is there a product that's maybe not brand new, but still current...where you really wanted to read a review, but can't find one you trust?

Thanks for letting us know!


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Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: terminaldegree] #2898423
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Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: terminaldegree] #2898426
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New:
Casio Celviano GP-310
Kawai Novus NV5

Existing:
Kawai CA78
Roland LX706

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Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: terminaldegree] #2898433
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I'm wondering why you ask. When you say "what would you like us to review?" I get the impression that you work for piano buyer. Is that true?

Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: MacMacMac] #2898434
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm wondering why you ask. When you say "what would you like us to review?" I get the impression that you work for piano buyer. Is that true?


Mac, the clue is in terminaldegree's signature:

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Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: terminaldegree] #2898449
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Given how controversial the Casio GP's are, I think it would be interesting to have the newest generation compared with the first one. For example GP-510 compared to GP-500.

Also, since they seem to be a new contender: something from the German company GEWA. For example the UP 400G.


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For me the Kawai NV5 and Casio GP-510

Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: Kawai James] #2898455
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm wondering why you ask. When you say "what would you like us to review?" I get the impression that you work for piano buyer. Is that true?


Mac, the clue is in terminaldegree's signature:

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A regular Miss Marple is our James smile

Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: terminaldegree] #2898464
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Being that he is a teacher, I would like to know what he honestly thinks about the different key actions of the various manufacturers (Kawai, Yamaha, Roland, Casio, etc.), both the plastic and the wooden ones. If he thinks some of them can can hinder your piano studies or make them easier, or make more hard the transition to a real acoustic keyboard, etc.
I think there are too few serious and unbiased articles on this matter. I would like to know technically why one is better than another, not just the "feeling". I don't like an article when the reviewer only says: "this is better than that because I feel it more under my fingers". I would like to know "technically" why do you think it's better. Better pivot position, better return of the key after release, heavier to depress, lighter, etc.

Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: magicpiano] #2898511
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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Being that he is a teacher,

Actually, he is a piano professor.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

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Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: terminaldegree] #2898520
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Maybe models from some of the less popular boards on this forum, from Korg, and Kurzweil. Sub $1000 and $1-2000 ranges or thereabouts.

VST’s?

Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: magicpiano] #2898537
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Originally Posted by magicpiano
I would like to know "technically" why do you think it's better. Better pivot position, better return of the key after release, heavier to depress, lighter, etc.

Yes fact-based/measurement-based comparisons would be great.

Downweight of all 88 keys.
Upweight of all 88 keys.
Key response times in milliseconds (via high frame rate video recording)
Key length (to pivot point).
Sound engine: sampled or modelled or both (this one is least important though - as readers can undertake their own 5 minutes of Googling).
Sound-sample data size (of each main piano sample).

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Originally Posted by Burkie
Originally Posted by magicpiano
I would like to know "technically" why do you think it's better. Better pivot position, better return of the key after release, heavier to depress, lighter, etc.

Yes fact-based/measurement-based comparisons would be great.

Downweight of all 88 keys.
Upweight of all 88 keys.
Key response times in milliseconds (via high frame rate video recording)
Key length (to pivot point).
Sound engine: sampled or modelled or both (this one is least important though - as readers can undertake their own 5 minutes of Googling).
Sound-sample data size (of each main piano sample).


I think it would be good to get a sense of the dynamic weight of the keys and how that weight is distributed around the pivot point, I think this more than the static weight gives the sense of a heavy or light key action. Dynamic weight is much harder to measure, but by itself static weight doesn't tell you a lot. But I am also into measuring all the things, so don't not do static weight measurements if you can't do dynamic.


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Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: KevinM] #2898554
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Originally Posted by KevinM
I think it would be good to get a sense of the dynamic weight of the keys and how that weight is distributed around the pivot point, I think this more than the static weight gives the sense of a heavy or light key action. Dynamic weight is much harder to measure, but by itself static weight doesn't tell you a lot. But I am also into measuring all the things, so don't not do static weight measurements if you can't do dynamic.

Dynamic weight is determined by momentum - which is measured by the key responsiveness that I listed above (key response times).
Grand piano actions have higher responsiveness than upright actions. Given that a digital piano is not encumbered with the design limitations of an acoustic piano there is zero reason why they should not support at least 14hz.

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Originally Posted by Burkie
there is zero reason why they should not support at least 14hz.

Do we know for a fact that DPs do not?


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: Burkie] #2898562
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When Kawai released its Millenium it was considered a rave because it could do 10 repetitions per second.
Who needs that much?
Who needs more than that?
Whose hands can handle that?
Originally Posted by Burkie
Originally Posted by KevinM
I think it would be good to get a sense of the dynamic weight of the keys and how that weight is distributed around the pivot point, I think this more than the static weight gives the sense of a heavy or light key action. Dynamic weight is much harder to measure, but by itself static weight doesn't tell you a lot. But I am also into measuring all the things, so don't not do static weight measurements if you can't do dynamic.

Dynamic weight is determined by momentum - which is measured by the key responsiveness that I listed above (key response times).
Grand piano actions have higher responsiveness than upright actions. Given that a digital piano is not encumbered with the design limitations of an acoustic piano there is zero reason why they should not support at least 14hz.

Re: What would you like us to review? [Re: spanishbuddha] #2898577
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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
Maybe models from some of the less popular boards on this forum [...]


+1

E.g. Gewa was already mentioned and could be a "serious" manufacturer.

Nothing wrong with poking the Chinese/Korean digital pianos with a long stick as well. Then we'd know how "serious" they are.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by magicpiano
Being that he is a teacher,

Actually, he is a piano professor.

What do you mean? Is there a difference between a piano professor and a piano teacher? In his Forum Signature he says he is a teacher...

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by magicpiano
Being that he is a teacher,

Actually, he is a piano professor.

What do you mean? Is there a difference between a piano professor and a piano teacher? In his Forum Signature he says he is a teacher...

Professors are associated with colleges and universities. It's a minor issue of nomenclature certainly, but when I was at the university, I never thought of my professors as teachers, unless they were a docent or something. Did you?


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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Are you saying professors are better than teachers? wink

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