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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
David B #2895460 09/29/19 07:16 AM
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srslysupersonic, do you mean the pin protrusion (don’t know the word) can be regulated? So the pins are held by screws? I thought it was a single detail but if I get what you mean then it should be an easily doable fix and indeed an assembly problem.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
srslysupersonic, do you mean the pin protrusion (don’t know the word) can be regulated? So the pins are held by screws? I thought it was a single detail but if I get what you mean then it should be an easily doable fix and indeed an assembly problem.


It's seems that he was able to adjust his.

Looking back in this thread to Chrispy's problem, he mentioned that the technician actually replaced his pins. I'm wondering if Chrispy's pins could have been adjusted and did not need to be replaced.

Chrispy was originally informed by the tech that an adjustment could be made, but then the tech came out with new pins and did the swap. It appears (and I could be mistaken) that the tech didn't even try adjusting the pins but rather opted to swap them out.

Time to get out the screwdriver, Cybergene.

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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David, just started doing it! laugh


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P.S. Well maybe no need. I tried to slide the fallboard fully to the right and left and see if it can snap out but it won’t. There’s some gap left but not enough to let it snap out, so maybe I’m OK although it could have been better.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
P.S. Well maybe no need. I tried to slide the fallboard fully to the right and left and see if it can snap out but it won’t. There’s some gap left but not enough to let it snap out, so maybe I’m OK although it could have been better.


Yeah, I was looking at your pictures and even though you might be on the extreme end of the tolerance spectrum regarding "the gap," it looked like you were still safe.

I've got enough gap in my pin/bracket fitment to allow easy removal and installation of the fallboard, but no way can a pin fall out of a bracket.

Although, if my pins had the amount of contact surface yours do, I might adjust it for a better fit. That's just me though. I'm anal-retentive. blush

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I’m the last person on earth that won’t disassemble things, even out of curiosity smile I did that to our TV when I was probably 7 and we had to then ask a technician to make it working laugh

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
srslysupersonic, do you mean the pin protrusion (don’t know the word) can be regulated? So the pins are held by screws? I thought it was a single detail but if I get what you mean then it should be an easily doable fix and indeed an assembly problem.


Yes. The pin is actually screwed to a metal frame and it is this metal frame that is screwed to the fallboard. That frame has non-circular holes so that, once you loosen the screws holding it in place, you can move it sideways to adjust the pin position. The only bothersome part is having to unscrew the wooden lip above the key cover because it is in the way of two of those screws. I also don't understand why so much leeway in the frame holes because when I pushed the frame all the way out the pins fitted perfectly in the sockets. I guess Yamaha could have just put circular holes in the right places, or maybe this was done to allow future adjustments in case humidity/temperature causes any changes to the piano structure.

I said I thought this was an assembly problem because after correcting the pin position, the closing mechanism now seems quite sturdy (and silent).

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I think this issue has been raised here and in other forums 5-6 times now. Even if you fixed it yourself, I would strongly urge you to call Yamaha and report it, so they have a better idea of how widespread it is and can fix the part or princess in manufacturing.


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Yes, they must fix the princess! smile

I think I'll need to keep a tally of defects to look for when I start shopping for one of these, just to be sure the problems are either absent or corrected before I buy.

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Originally Posted by srslysupersonic


I said I thought this was an assembly problem because after correcting the pin position, the closing mechanism now seems quite sturdy (and silent).


Really! You had to say that? cry

Now I might have to adjust mine.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Yes, they must fix the princess! smile


Oh my. I'm glad Pete14 didn't see my error. No telling where he would take that!


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Originally Posted by srslysupersonic
The more I play you, the more I want you
Somehow this feeling just grows and grows
With every bar I become more mad about you
More lost without you and so it goes…


So may we assume you are enjoying your N1X? smile


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So may we assume you are enjoying your N1X? smile


We may very safely assume that cool

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So the original prognosis was the pins needed to be replaced. However, after the tech ordered them with a description of the problem, Yamaha called back about a week later and told him there was actually an adjustment, but it wasn’t the fallboard mechanism that was adjustable but the sides of the piano! Sorry I didn’t follow up on this here in the forum.

Anyway, I didn’t want to be too annoying and hover over him, but from what I saw the brackets that hold the sides to the bottom piece of the case had slots to allow play. These are the sides that have the brackets that the fallboard pins go in to. The tech hadn’t noticed this the first time as there was more disassembly required to see the bottom/side mounting brackets than was needed to inspect the fallboard brackets. He adjusted the sides back in and tightened the bolts up and I’ve had no problems since. I get the feeling this has become a sort of “service bulletin” type problem.

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Originally Posted by Chrispy
the case had slots to allow play.


That's exactly the world I was looking for (sometimes I go around in circles with English blush ).

Adjusting the side panels seems like tilting the ground to make the leaning tower of Pisa straight. I guess it could work for a while, but I'd be worried about the unnecessary stress added to the structure and possible bending or even warping of the wood. Once you remove the fallboard, the solution to this simple problem is pretty obvious (especially if you're a "tech"). You don't need to do any additional disassembly to realize that the frame holding the pins on the sides of the fallboard has slots to allow for adjustment. I guess I just don't understand how some pianos are coming from the factory like this.

I like to fix things myself, but I can imagine how frustrating it must be for someone who just spent a considerable amount of money on an otherwise excellent instrument, only to have the fallboard snap out of place when opening it.

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Costco had another Yamaha event in Federal Way last week; I went hoping to try the N1X but the only hybrid there was the NU1X.

The dealer at the show told me that I could only purchase the NU1X hybrid for $4,999.99, or the N3X for $14,999.99, and that the N1X was not available. They showed me their price list and the N1X, N1 and N2 were not listed and that they were not being produced anymore.

If this is true, the N1X has had a very short run. I think both of the sales people were misinformed, the sales girl had never heard of a Bluthner piano.

When will be Novus NV5 become available is the US?

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When will be Novus NV5 become available is the US?


Early 2020, I believe.


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Originally Posted by Oggierobdoggie
They showed me their price list and the N1X, N1 and N2 were not listed and that they were not being produced anymore.

If this is true, the N1X has had a very short run. I think both of the sales people were misinformed, the sales girl had never heard of a Bluthner piano.

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