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Not the usual variant of this common topic...

On the Frasier show, Frasier's apartment always had a Steinway on prominent display. I was surprised just now to see a Yamaha in his apartment on an old Cheers rerun. wink



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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Not the usual variant of this common topic...

On the Frasier show, Frasier's apartment always had a Steinway on prominent display. I was surprised just now to see a Yamaha in his apartment on an old Cheers rerun. wink


Actually, for the first season or two, Frasier had a "no-name" piano in the background. It could have been a Steinway, but in the first episode the key cover was closed and later, even when it was open, there was no visible name on the piano. (Believe me, I always look. My wife gets frustrated when we are watching a movie or TV show and I say, "Baldwin Artist Series, model L" out of the blue)

It became a product placement for S&S after the series became established.

I have to admit that I never saw his apartment in Cheers. Now I have to go find it. smile


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One of the funniest things about Frasier was his pretentiousness. Everything he owned or did showed seemed to be calculated to make him appear worldly and sophisticated, but the viewer suspected he didn't really know the difference. At least that's my take.

I'm surprised he had a Steinway, after all everyone has heard of Steinway. I think a Bösendorfer would have been much more him. Maybe Fazioli or any German piano if they were making the series today.

On second thoughts, a Hamburg Steinway would have done the trick. It would be different from the Steinways of his associates.

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The piano is shown in the season 5, episode 20 show.


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Originally Posted by wpr
The piano is shown in the season 5, episode 20 show.


Bill,

I am impressed! I assume you mean that the placed Steinway first appeared in that episode. That is much later than I would have guessed, but I bow to your confident and exact answer. How did you find this out... or are you a Frasier buff? smile

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I'm surprised he had a Steinway, after all everyone has heard of Steinway. I think a Bösendorfer would have been much more him. Maybe Fazioli or any German piano if they were making the series today.


Credit the decision to unsophisticated writers? Or, if as I suspect it was a paid placement, then Steinway simply made the deal.

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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini

Credit the decision to unsophisticated writers? Or, if as I suspect it was a paid placement, then Steinway simply made the deal.


Probably.

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
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Credit the decision to unsophisticated writers? Or, if as I suspect it was a paid placement, then Steinway simply made the deal.


Probably.


Steinway is a brand that all viewers would recognize and consider excellent.... few TV viewers would recognize other brands, no matter how worthy outside of Yamaha, Steinway and Kawai. Steinway would be perceived by them as being more valuable.


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I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.


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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.


Ahh, but where is the "prestige" in that? grin



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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.

You could start a new company! I would love a Yamaway...or even a Steinwai!

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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.


Ahh, but where is the "prestige" in that? grin

Send for the film crew !

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by NobleHouse
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I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.


Ahh, but where is the "prestige" in that? grin

Send for the film crew !


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Who but the piano nerds here would notice or care what piano was in Frasier’s apartment in the show? 🤣
I used to watch the show Frasier regularly but did remember seeing the Steinway fallboard. My two favorite characters were Niles, his even more pretentious brother, and Eddie the Jack Russell terrier.


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Originally Posted by j&j
Who but the piano nerds here would notice or care what piano was in Frasier’s apartment in the show? 🤣
I used to watch the show Frasier regularly but did remember seeing the Steinway fallboard. My two favorite characters were Niles, his even more pretentious brother, and Eddie the Jack Russell terrier.


Great show! Too bad they don't make them like that anymore! The pretentiousness of the two and their rivalry each to out-pretention the other was what made the show so much fun.

Maybe they still make good sitcoms, but I can no longer abide and therefore cannot watch commercial television!

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Who but the piano nerds here would notice or care what piano was in Frasier’s apartment in the show? 🤣
I used to watch the show Frasier regularly but did remember seeing the Steinway fallboard. My two favorite characters were Niles, his even more pretentious brother, and Eddie the Jack Russell terrier.


Great show! Too bad they don't make them like that anymore! The pretentiousness of the two and their rivalry each to out-pretention the other was what made the show so much fun.

Maybe they still make good sitcoms, but I can no longer abide and therefore cannot watch commercial television!

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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.


And I seriously doubt that it sounds anywhere near as good as a real C7 or a C.

You do have recordings to prove me wrong, of course, don't you?

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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
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Not the usual variant of this common topic...

On the Frasier show, Frasier's apartment always had a Steinway on prominent display. I was surprised just now to see a Yamaha in his apartment on an old Cheers rerun. wink


Actually, for the first season or two, Frasier had a "no-name" piano in the background. It could have been a Steinway, but in the first episode the key cover was closed and later, even when it was open, there was no visible name on the piano. (Believe me, I always look. My wife gets frustrated when we are watching a movie or TV show and I say, "Baldwin Artist Series, model L" out of the blue)

It became a product placement for S&S after the series became established.

I have to admit that I never saw his apartment in Cheers. Now I have to go find it. smile

Oh, I didn't realize that it wasn't a Steinway all the way through.

I always try to see what brand of pianos are on shows and movies too. Usually it seems to be obscured. Even on this episode, it was blurry or hard to see, and then in one scene you get a glimpse of "...maha" sticking out from behind someone!



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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
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The piano is shown in the season 5, episode 20 show.


Bill,

I am impressed! I assume you mean that the placed Steinway first appeared in that episode. That is much later than I would have guessed, but I bow to your confident and exact answer. How did you find this out... or are you a Frasier buff? smile

Perhaps he meant season 5 for the Yamaha. ?? It was a season 5 episode I was watching.



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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
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Who but the piano nerds here would notice or care what piano was in Frasier’s apartment in the show? 🤣
I used to watch the show Frasier regularly but did remember seeing the Steinway fallboard. My two favorite characters were Niles, his even more pretentious brother, and Eddie the Jack Russell terrier.


Great show! Too bad they don't make them like that anymore! The pretentiousness of the two and their rivalry each to out-pretention the other was what made the show so much fun.

Maybe they still make good sitcoms, but I can no longer abide and therefore cannot watch commercial television!

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+1. I don't watch commercial TV also.


+2

Me either. In fact, I cut the cable about 18 months ago. The girls stream everything when they're home, and nine months a year they're not home anyway. So I cut TV and phone out of the cable package, and just have internet access now.

These are some old DVDs I was watching. If I'm watching something, it's generally an old rerun. Something comforting about old familiar stuff. Cheers is light and easy. I like Frasier though too...it's a bit more cerebral.



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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.

Sounds interesting!



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You know what always amazes me. I Love Lucy. At the same time that they set the format for the three camera sit-com they may have also invented the reality T.V. show since all them family members WERE actually the husband and children of Lucille Ball and the set-up was somewhat based on their real life. On You Tube you can probably find the special that PBS did on Lucille Ball. She was tremendous and an absolute pioneer.

Isn't "Frasier" a reasonably skilled pianist in real life? I know Hugh Laurie (House) is.


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Originally Posted by Retsacnal

On the Frasier show, Frasier's apartment always had a Steinway on prominent display. I was surprised just now to see a Yamaha in his apartment on an old Cheers rerun. wink


I don't watch it often, but another person in my household does. At one point, early on Frasier, I noticed it wasn't a S&S. Perhaps it was a Baldwin, I can't remember anymore. If memory serves, Hollywood Piano (Glenn Treibitz, a PW forum member) placed a piano on the set...if not, then they did many other sets of shows and movies.

Rich in Philly also has a good piano placement story that I believe has been mentioned in a prior PW thread. Since Philly is a rougher town, it was subjected to more violence...


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Originally Posted by KurtZ
You know what always amazes me. I Love Lucy. At the same time that they set the format for the three camera sit-com they may have also invented the reality T.V. show since all them family members WERE actually the husband and children of Lucille Ball and the set-up was somewhat based on their real life. On You Tube you can probably find the special that PBS did on Lucille Ball. She was tremendous and an absolute pioneer.

Isn't "Frasier" a reasonably skilled pianist in real life? I know Hugh Laurie (House) is.

No, Kelsey Grammer is a decent singer, but it was his TV brother Niles, played by David Hyde Pierce who is the classically trained pianist. He played all the piano scenes on Frasier. Grammer only did some basic noodling.

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This thread seems to have mixed Cheers with Frasier. My response to Rich was about the piano in the apartment on Cheers. In looking at it I couldn't make out a brand name. I've been watching Cheers Season 5 recently and had just seen the episode with the piano. I'm much more a Cheers fan than one of Frasier.


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I mentioned both shows in the opening post, and the Frasier character exists in both, so some confusion is understandable. The 5/20 comment was ambiguous as to which series. After referencing an episode guide, it is definitiely 5/20 of Cheers that I had just watched. It would be quite a coincidence if 5/20 was also the episode in which the Steinway switch was made in Frasier! smile Both are good shows, of course, but I think I'd say I prefer Frasier to Cheers overall.



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One of my favorite Frasier episodes features Pierce on piano and Grammar singing. The premise is that they're helping their dad finish a song he's been struggling to write for Frank Sinatra.




Unfortunately, Frank rejects the song, but Frasier finds an unlikely venue in which to have it performed.





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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.


I'd love to hear and play that piano. I bet it's quite unique. How does it compare to a Steinway Model C?

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I just came back from listening to Olga Kern. That Steinway D sounded glorious. Her playing was out of this world which always helps. smile

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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.

I'd be terribly interested in knowing more about your approach in this move: what your motivations were, what your expectations were, what "collateral" parts of the C7 you had to change, and if you had any taken measurements (quantitative or qualitative) of the sound along the way.
As another user asked, a recording of your new instrument would also be great to hear, should you happen to have one.

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I just came back from listening to Olga Kern. That Steinway D sounded glorious. Her playing was out of this world which always helps. smile


A strange optical illusion. Unless I zoom in, it looks like she has her right foot crossed over the left one, and she's using it to press the shift pedal.

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I just came back from listening to Olga Kern. That Steinway D sounded glorious. Her playing was out of this world which always helps. smile


A strange optical illusion. Unless I zoom in, it looks like she has her right foot crossed over the left one, and she's using it to press the shift pedal.


Yes. It’s definitely an optical illusion. She pedalled in the traditional fashion.

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I just came back from listening to Olga Kern. That Steinway D sounded glorious. Her playing was out of this world which always helps. smile


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Originally Posted by mcontraveos
Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.

I'd be terribly interested in knowing more about your approach in this move: what your motivations were, what your expectations were, what "collateral" parts of the C7 you had to change, and if you had any taken measurements (quantitative or qualitative) of the sound along the way.
As another user asked, a recording of your new instrument would also be great to hear, should you happen to have one.

Dont' you understand ? it always was a Yamaha in a Steinways body ! (or the other what ? )

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There was also a piano on Two and a Half Men that Charlie Sheen played on some episodes. Anyone know what brand??


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From occasionally watching that show in the early day’s, the Charlie Sheen character would have a Fazioli.
And if Frasier had a Steinway, Niles would have a Steingraeber at his first wife’s, Maris, insistence. Because of her overly sensitive ears.
I don’t remember which brand of piano was on the set of Two and a Half Men.


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I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.

This made me smile! Wonder what the outcome would be if also done in reverse! Something tells me there's more to creating a specific tone but the idea of creating a "hybrid" i.e something "new" appeals to me. We might be on to something great!
[P.S. how much could a new soundboard and set of hammers cost anyway?]

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I have a Yama-way piano. I took an old Yamaha C7 and put a Steinway style soundboard and Steinway hammers in it. Sounds jut as fabulous and avoids the high price tag.

This made me smile! Wonder what the outcome would be if also done in reverse! Something tells me there's more to creating a specific tone but the idea of creating a "hybrid" i.e something "new" appeals to me. We might be on to something great!
[P.S. how much could a new soundboard and set of hammers cost anyway?]

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That is an interesting idea Norbert. In collector cars they swap engines, trannies, shocks, and rear ends from other brands or vehicles to make a “resto-mod”. A ‘32 Ford coupe with a big Chevy engine and transmission. The one thing I remember is it’s a ton of manual labor to do and takes considerable time. When my hammers wear out or my soundboard’s crown is gone, it’s something I might consider. Although at my age, my fingers will go before the hammers and soundboard need replacing.😁


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Back to Frasier, nobody's identified the interesting-looking piano in Nile's house - anyone know what that was?

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I don't think we see much of Nile's house, but, yea, I vaguely remember a piano in some sort of all-purpose anteroom (the one room they used for any scene in Nile's house).



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I recall one scene where they had a sword fight on top of it. It was a big, brown vintage-era looking grand. I remember Niles played it in at least one episode.

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In case anyone is interested, the sword fight is Season 2, episode 21, about 20 minutes in. (I think it may be a different piano than they usually show in Niles' house, but I don't know.)

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I finally finished all of Cheers the other day...

Mrs. Retsacnal and I watched up to a couple seasons from the end before she was too sick to really enjoy it any more. About a year after she passed I resumed it, and thought I'd finish it. The last season's disk had issues though, so I didn't see those episodes either.

Anyway, my girls are home from school due to the pandemic. I realized I could watch Cheers using my daughter's Netflix account. It was sort of anticlimactic, IMO.

But it reminded me that Frasier's piano turned up in a couple more episodes, in particular one sacrilegious scene in an episode in a longer story arc in which Norm is secretly gifted as an interior decorator, and he redoes the home of Frasier and Lilith.

So, what's sacrilegious (IMO)? Norm stages his paint cans on the piano. Fortunately, it's covered by a tarp, but he's basically using the piano as his work bench! sick



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I just came back from listening to Olga Kern. That Steinway D sounded glorious. Her playing was out of this world which always helps. smile

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