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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: Kawai James] #2896018 10/01/19 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
May I ask if you're also considering Kawai? wink

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Unfortunately not. For various reasons probably I will purchase a new CVP piano, and Kawai does not sell such DPs other than CP1/CP2/CP3 sold only in the USA.

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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: CyberGene] #2896019 10/01/19 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
My ES7 was very quiet after I bought it but after less than two years some keys got clanky.

I can say the same about my MP11.


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: CyberGene] #2896022 10/01/19 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
My ES7 was very quiet after I bought it but after less than two years some keys got clanky.

Can you be more specific about what you mean by "clanky"? It's something like a noise when you sit on an old spring bed frame?

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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: Syd B] #2896030 10/01/19 06:16 AM
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Some lateral movement of the keys appeared and when pressing the keys diagonally (like when playing fast scales or stretching your pinky to reach a wide chord note) it would make a click. You can also do that by grabbing the front of the key and wobbling it left/right.


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: Syd B] #2896034 10/01/19 06:29 AM
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Roland's PHA-4, found on the FP60, 30, 10 and others. It's their bottom tier action now, and is notably quieter than the PHA50 found on more expensive devices, which in itself, isn't bad. I have the earlier variation of this on my FP50 and it's remained quiet for 4 years now. The main difference between the FP50 and 60 actions seems to be a more pronounced notch feel for the let-off function which the 60 has. It may have triple sensor, too, I don't know.
My previous DGX was noisy after a fairly short time. The C.O. didn't like her tele time disturbed. . I can play at 3am (and do) if I want with impunity. I'd have got rid of the piano long ago if the action wasn't so decent.
Would maybe be a reasonable option, with a VST .. . .


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: MacMacMac] #2896117 10/01/19 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
That's a paper "keyboard" ... meant for practice.
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But where do you go to get that kind of service? DIY DP restoration is not an option for me.

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That detail did not elude my attention! I was referring to the last quoted line of your post:

"You reduce the noise with appropriate maintenance repair."

Have you or anyone else had success finding a technician -- preferably locally and via house call for outsized boards -- who can do that kind of work on a DP that's gone noisy? A national Kawai dealer has assured me there's local support here in Winnipeg if anything ever goes wrong with their keyboards. Not sure if that's an option with a Casio. Perhaps I should look into it.


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2896124 10/01/19 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I know. I just am curious when people want what is not achievable on a real piano.

Well, we basically have to. Digitals usually aren't near as loud as acoustics.
The grand piano at my school is painfully loud when my teacher digs in. Wouldn't want sth like that in an apartment.


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: Syd B] #2896157 10/01/19 01:15 PM
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>STAYS quiet after years

Electronics generally is designed with a life span of 5 years. So you're probably expecting too much, depending on what you mean with "after years'.

https://www.cta.tech/News/Blog/Articles/2014/September/The-Life-Expectancy-of-Electronics.aspx

For comparison, acoustic pianos have life expectencies of many decades if cared for properly


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: wouter79] #2896169 10/01/19 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wouter79
>STAYS quiet after years

Electronics generally is designed with a life span of 5 years. So you're probably expecting too much, depending on what you mean with "after years'.

https://www.cta.tech/News/Blog/Articles/2014/September/The-Life-Expectancy-of-Electronics.aspx

For comparison, acoustic pianos have life expectencies of many decades if cared for properly


I don't think your acoustic piano after 5 years sounds acceptable and needs more money spent to just get it to a point where you can tolerate its sound.
When you say "take care of", it will cost you money, sometimes a lot of money! If you spend that much money on your DP, it would also last you many years!!! Going out of tune, humidity, felts, and many more. They will cost you money! more than changing just a rubber strip or an adaptor of a DP.


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: Syd B] #2896297 10/02/19 12:26 AM
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Korgs RH3 action is very quiet and very solidly built--still quiet after one year practicing 14 hours
per week-I have the Korg G1 Air

Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: Syd B] #2896343 10/02/19 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Some lateral movement of the keys appeared and when pressing the keys diagonally (like when playing fast scales or stretching your pinky to reach a wide chord note) it would make a click. You can also do that by grabbing the front of the key and wobbling it left/right.
That's not very good. I would expect that those keyboards lasted at least 5 years. But if it's normal that they could become like that after less than 2 years of regular use, then I would be very disappointed. The ES7 had the RHII action. I hope that the RHIII that my CN37 uses is a little more robust.

Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: Syd B] #2896346 10/02/19 06:52 AM
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I think in the RH3 description there was something about enforced structure or something. James can share more details from the kitchen. Maybe they fixed exactly that issue?


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: Syd B] #2896348 10/02/19 07:19 AM
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At the moment I don`t think it is possible that any DP has more quiet keys than VPC1. I have it for 5 years, and its still whispering in my ears.

Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: CyberGene] #2896406 10/02/19 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I think in the RH3 description there was something about enforced structure or something. James can share more details from the kitchen. Maybe they fixed exactly that issue?
I hope so. Have you ever heard some slightly sticky noises when you released a full-depressed key on the ES7? For now, this is the only little issue I had on the RH-III action. I don't care too much being that I play mostly with headphones but I recognize that it could be a bit annoying for those who play at low volume with the DP internal speakers, being that for our ears high-frequency noises are much more annoying than low-frequency ones.

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Originally Posted by slobajudge
At the moment I don`t think it is possible that any DP has more quiet keys than VPC1. I have it for 5 years, and its still whispering in my ears.
That's good to know. The VPC1 is such a well-made product that they have not yet felt the need to improve it from many many years. Honestly I would fear to buy an hypothetical new VPC2 unit instead of the super-tested and acclaimed VPC1...

Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: magicpiano] #2896414 10/02/19 10:38 AM
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I think in the RH3 description there was something about enforced structure or something. James can share more details from the kitchen. Maybe they fixed exactly that issue?
I hope so. Have you ever heard some slightly sticky noises when you released a full-depressed key on the ES7? For now, this is the only little issue I had on the RH-III action. I don't care too much being that I play mostly with headphones but I recognize that it could be a bit annoying for those who play at low volume with the DP internal speakers, being that for our ears high-frequency noises are much more annoying than low-frequency ones.

Yes, I think I've heard those "sticky" noises too. To be honest, I haven't been bothered by the clicking noises either because I couldn't hear them when playing with headphones and other than that the keyboard felt the same, it was very dynamic and the feel hasn't changed. And the N1X now is like a machine gun in comparison laugh But since the OP asked specifically about quiet keys, I thought I have to mention that.


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: CyberGene] #2896425 10/02/19 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Yes, I think I've heard those "sticky" noises too. To be honest, I haven't been bothered by the clicking noises either because I couldn't hear them when playing with headphones and other than that the keyboard felt the same, it was very dynamic and the feel hasn't changed.
That's good. At least this is a bit reassuring.
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But I guess they are more thump-like mechanical noises than high-frequency ones, right?

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The N1X is exactly what you would expect: loud thumping which I'm absolutely positive is audible in the apartment below mine. It's such a luck that nobody lives there... I hear other people use some casters or whatever it's called they put under the legs to stop those vibrations to propagate to the floor.


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: CyberGene] #2896429 10/02/19 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I hear other people use some casters or whatever it's called they put under the legs to stop those vibrations to propagate to the floor.

I just received my set of Eison Piano Castor Cups which Chrispy recommended for the N1X. When my piano is moved to its new location in my flat in a few weeks, these castor cups will be put to use. My downstairs neighbor will be shocked by the difference (especially as I play piano typically between 2am-4am).


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Re: WANTED: a DP with quiet action that STAYS quiet after years [Re: Syd B] #2896431 10/02/19 11:57 AM
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Tyrone, thanks, I read about that although didn't delve into much detail because I think I won't need those for now. And I remember from somewhere (was it from Chrispy again?) that adding those castors (castErs?) raises the piano so that the screw of the sustain pedal block that needs to be touching the floor is "screwed" and won't be able to touch the floor even if unscrewed at its max position.

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