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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2893724 09/24/19 01:48 PM
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I am derailing this topic even more.... blush ....untill the Walker update is announced.....uhh materialised.
What still puzzles me is why the playability of the internal Kawai MP11SE isn’t the top of the class.
I have little experience with latency ( apart from those ancient modules stacked in series ) because i bought a fast computer with RME soundcard to avoid anything smelling after latency and only for five years now.
I bought many piano vst’s i’ll never use again because they were so cheap compared to hardware and i fell for the syndrom that you all call ‘gas’.

Having said that,..i feel that the Garritan CFX has better playabilty than the internal MP11SE sounds .... how can that be ? ( tried of course all different kinds of settings)
The whole keybed reacts a tiny bit more direct, snappier with the CFX.
Then i bought pianoteq and it’s even better....

Consider me a huge pianoteq fan from now on...and i’ll take the fact that they sound a tiny bit synthi and clonish when comparing the models.
Pianoteq is the first one i load to get my fingers going ..... just so much satisfaction as a workout piano.

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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2893906 09/25/19 01:00 AM
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Matter and energy had ended and with it, space and time. Even Embertone existed only for the sake of the one last question that it had never answered from the time a half-drunken customer ten trillion years before had asked the question of a buyer that was to Embertone far less than was a man to Man.
All other questions had been answered, and until this last question was answered also, Embertone might not release its 1955 Walker patch.

All collected data had come to a final end. Nothing was left to be collected.

But all collected data had yet to be completely correlated and put together in all possible relationships.

A timeless interval was spent in doing that.

And it came to pass that Embertone learned how to keep their word and how to refrain from lying about their products and from disrespecting their customers.

But there was now no man to whom Embertone might give the answer of the last question. No matter. The answer -- by demonstration -- would take care of that, too.

For another timeless interval, Embertone thought how best to do this. Carefully, Embertone organized the program.

The consciousness of Embertone encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done.

And Embertone said, "IT'S BASICALLY FINISHED! JUST A COUPLE MORE DAYS, GUYS!"

And it was basically finished, just a couple more days, guys.

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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Grazilerimba #2893907 09/25/19 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
Matter and energy had ended and with it, space and time. Even Embertone existed only for the sake of the one last question that it had never answered from the time a half-drunken customer ten trillion years before had asked the question of a buyer that was to Embertone far less than was a man to Man.
All other questions had been answered, and until this last question was answered also, Embertone might not release its 1955 Walker patch.

All collected data had come to a final end. Nothing was left to be collected.

But all collected data had yet to be completely correlated and put together in all possible relationships.

A timeless interval was spent in doing that.

And it came to pass that Embertone learned how to keep their word and how to refrain from lying about their products and from disrespecting their customers.

But there was now no man to whom Embertone might give the answer of the last question. No matter. The answer -- by demonstration -- would take care of that, too.

For another timeless interval, Embertone thought how best to do this. Carefully, Embertone organized the program.

The consciousness of Embertone encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done.

And Embertone said, "IT'S BASICALLY FINISHED! JUST A COUPLE MORE DAYS, GUYS!"

And it was basically finished, just a couple more days, guys.

A nice send-up of Isaac Asimov's "The Last Question" thumb


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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2894093 09/25/19 12:40 PM
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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2895329 09/28/19 07:57 PM
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Some weekend entertainment from our friends at vi-control:

Originally Posted by "Embertone"
Happy Friday!

Walker Lite and Full will be updated at the beginning of next week. Had a lot of last minute errors to work out, but luckily we're down to troubleshooting download issues. Look forward to hearing what everyone does with the half pedaling action

https://vi-control.net/community/th...r-vi-c-friends.84887/page-4#post-4438671

Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
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Originally Posted by newer player
Some weekend entertainment from our friends at vi-control:

Originally Posted by "Embertone"
Happy Friday!

Walker Lite and Full will be updated at the beginning of next week. Had a lot of last minute errors to work out, but luckily we're down to troubleshooting download issues. Look forward to hearing what everyone does with the half pedaling action

https://vi-control.net/community/th...r-vi-c-friends.84887/page-4#post-4438671


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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2895648 09/29/19 06:17 PM
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Dammit! I wanted to post salty memes about this, but looks like I have to stop soon?!
But guys, you know what their statement means... Just a couple more days, guys.

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to this, let's hope they get their stuff together and finally deliver.

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Gabriel Hikaru #2895806 09/30/19 07:52 AM
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Of course, if and when the update is delivered at the start of the next ice age, it remains to be seen how effective the implementation is. Plenty of scope of half-pedaling implementations to be less than stellar, as we've seen with other VSTs.


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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
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Of course, if and when the update is delivered at the start of the next ice age, it remains to be seen how effective the implementation is. Plenty of scope of half-pedaling implementations to be less than stellar, as we've seen with other VSTs.

Do we know if most half-pedal implementations try to average the pedal up and pedal down samples when half-pedalling?


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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2895823 09/30/19 08:57 AM
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Yeah for sure the implementation is going to not really deliver all that much. IMHO most Kontakt piano libraries leave a lot to be desired as far as the scripting goes. Probably one of the reasons why I still enjoy playing Ivory American Concert D to this day. Half pedaling is really nice there.

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Gabriel Hikaru #2895996 09/30/19 11:24 PM
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Update is coming!

Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2896002 10/01/19 12:57 AM
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Fleer, you were faster smile , but here is the details for PW‚

`Hey gang... the update emails are going out tonight! If you have any issues or questions, send us a line:

support@embertone.com

<3, Alex`

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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2896047 10/01/19 07:31 AM
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Damn, a part of me is going to die tonight. See you on the other side, ladies and gentlemen.

Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2896060 10/01/19 08:09 AM
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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2896061 10/01/19 08:10 AM
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O.... the irony..... finally an update including half pedalling.
But the Kontakt scripting kinda sucks when trying to implement proper half pedalling,...which is of course known by most Kontakt users and their multiple Kontakt piano’s.

This topic will be golden the whole week, month and years to come.

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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2896065 10/01/19 08:25 AM
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I'd be interested in hearing how good the half-pedaling implementation is. My other experience with Kontakt libraries is the Vintage D and the half-pedaling is half-baked: if you first press the pedal and play notes afterwards, it would work. If you however apply the pedal after you've pressed and held notes, only full-pedaling will work and releasing the pedal slowly won't be registered, only a single "pedal off". Also, there's no way to re-pedal and half-pedal (i.e. to catch the note by re-pedaling and then release slowly). There's also no varying half-pedaling where you change the up-down position multiple times while still holding the note; nor repeated re-pedaling followed by half-pedaling and vice versa. If that's because of the Kontakt scripting limitations, that's too bad. Compare that to Garritan CFX where re-pedaling and half-pedaling are working in any possible combination and re-triggering, the same as on digital pianos and real acoustic pianos. Jeff Hurchala who programmed it apparently did great job.

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Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2896070 10/01/19 08:36 AM
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Jeff Hurchala is based and I would have loved to see more piano libraries from him. His Garritan CFX is the sampled piano with the fewest flaws in my book and that is a monumental achievement. He should sample a Steinway in Abbey Road Studios, can you imagine how amazing that would be? Someone make a Kickstarter for that, I'd totally donate.

I agree about the half pedaling implemenation in Kontakt. As for me personally it isn't about the half pedaling itself. I just want them to own up to their mistakes, that is all. I fully expect the half pedaling to suck, and would much prefer working and consistend repedaling instead, and I'm much more looking forward to the other fixes they announced (sticking out notes etc.).
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As for the Vintage D, it appears to me as if these are bugs specific to that one library (or rather to its engine, to be found in the other Galaxy Pianos as well maybe?). I have not experienced this kind of issue in other Kontakt piano libraries. If you want to see how far Kontakt pianos can be pushed, check out the Bechstein Digital. Although it doesn't have half pedalling itself yet, but as far as Kontakt libraries go, it's probably the most polished one out there. Requires a monster CPU though. Also I have yet to spend more time with the Noire piano which, according to the posts of people here, seems to be pretty nice.

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Gabriel Hikaru #2896238 10/01/19 05:47 PM
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Update released. I beat everyone to it! Yippee!

Re: Embertone Walker 1955 Steinway D
Gabriel Hikaru #2896242 10/01/19 05:57 PM
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Gasp! I feel like a teenager camping next to a bookstore for a new Harry Potter book. I have never been hyped for a _ patch _ in my life . Lol

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Downloading. All going well. Thank you, Embertone!

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