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Boston 118E vs Yamaha U1
#2895017 09/28/19 03:48 AM
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Hi all.

I'm looking into purchasing my upright. I have room for an upright and not a grand, unfortunately (neither the funds in any case).

My final choices are these:

Yamaha U1
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Boston 118E

The price is similar and the sound is good in both cases, though I feel that I prefer the Boston slightly more.

So I have two questions:

1. Between the two, I think both are "work horses". The piano will be used mainly by me, so no students, etc touching it. But how does the sound react through the years? I think that the Yamaha tend to become brighter, but what about the Boston? I don't want to buy a piano that needs revoicing every few years, or to be impressed with the sound right now, only to find that it deteriorates over time.

2. The piano will be placed in a rather small room, because that's all I've got. The Yamaha has a slightly more "intimate" sound, vs the Boston which has the grander sound. Do you think the Boston will react more to the small room, being slightly louder?

I need this information as soon as possible, please, since I need to make my mind today.

Please help.

Nikolas

PS. I used to be a decent pianist (diploma in performance), but I don't have the time to practice anymore, so this is for recording (videoing) possibly and composing (PhD in composition, and Editions Musica Ferrum LTD).

PSS. I posted in the piano technician forum, but I think that this is the right forum, so please delete the other one. Sorry about that

Re: Boston 118E vs Yamaha U1
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The choice is yours ,you are a fairly advanced pianist and now involved as a composer as well.
This model Boston 118 E is made in Japan by Kawai (design Steinway )The other 118S is made
in Indonesia by Kawai .I have played this piano, yes a very mellow sound .
It is graded by Larry Fine on the same level as the U1 .and Kawai K300
Whatever you do, do not buy brand new from a warehouse but choose the floor model .
I had a very new U1 and at times had to have it voiced as it would become metallic bright .
It was fairly new from the warehouse but had potential to become a very good piano.
If I chose the the floor model (that had been there longer)I may have enjoyed it more till it settled down .I eventually traded it in for a different piano.But I like the U1 and had an 1980 U1 for many
years
A U1 will last for ages and is a perfect workhorse.The Boston also has a lovely creative tone and
should be in every way just as tough !
If you have a Kawai dealer around you may want to compair the K300 against these two .
If you like the Boston piano, do not be put off by the fact that the name is not among most
people's favourites !!! (it is child of Kawai and Steinways and is a sibling to the Chinese Essex
piano, a kind of Cinderella of Steinways )So Boston pianos suffer from a kind off identity
problem ! One the one hand they are Kawai but with thier Steinways design they sound NOT
AT ALL like Kawai pianos!
It is a very good piano.Big names like Yamaha and Kawai overwhelm the name Boston that
is all !
If these are used pianos have them checked by a technician before buying .
Something to consider is Kawai dealer 's offer very good discounts of thier marked prices.
Best wishes on your piano search !

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I like both of these models, and feel they’re basically equivalents. All pianos get brighter as they get played in, but that process will be slower on a “personal use” piano than one subjected to institutional or teaching use. It’s difficult to answer your second question without being in your room.


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Pick the one you like better. You can't go wrong either way.


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1. Both of them should be workhorse pianos. As hammers compress over time and use they will move toward a brighter sound. Generally I would expect Yamaha U1 to start with a brighter sound than the Boston.
2. This is more a question about your room than the piano. You can treat the room if you're not happy. I would suggest going for the piano you like better. Unless you actually hear both pianos in your room, this is too much of an unknown to sway your decision, IMHO.


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May I ask how much you were quoted for these pianos?

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Hi and thanks for your help.

I've decided to go for the Yamaha after all...

I cannot treat the room in any way, but I don't mind it too much.

Prices quoted: U1: £7500, 118E: £8550 (with 10% discount which ended yesterday, thus the urgency of this thread, so normally £9500).

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Congrats Nikolas! Hope you are doing well —- just haven’t seen you around here in awhile and updates on your compositions and publishing company have been missed.


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Congratulations on your U1.Post some pictures ! Of course what would be great is to give us some
of your music !

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Congratulations on your new U1! How wonderful! As any new piano gets played, the hammer felt compresses and the tone will slowly brighten. At some point, your piano technician will work on those worn hammers to soften the surface and make the tone more mellow. Pianos can be warmed up or brightened by voicing. There are limits to how much a piano’s tone or voice can be changed by voicing so the lesson is, buy the piano with a sound you love from the start and then invest in piano maintenance to keep it sounding great. Best wishes!


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Lovely to see you Nikolas!
All the best wishes to you and all of yours!


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Thank you all for your love.

I'll try to be more active in PW! I've missed you as well! ^_^


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