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Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 #2893502
09/23/19 07:20 PM
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I found a used Yamaha P22 piano that I'm interested in buying. The seller sent me a video of it: P22 I'd really appreciate it if someone here wouldn't mind viewing it and advising on whether or not everything looks okay enough to hire someone to inspect it in person.


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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet] #2893528
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Hmm, have you gone to see it in person by yourself yet? If it's not a super long drive, I would recommend that you go and play it yourself and then if you like it, arrange to go again with your tech.

BTW I know nothing about the P22. Just from the video, it looks very clean, which is good. The keyboard appears even/level (which is important but it's hard to tell how good it is from the video), and I would say it sounds like it's reasonably in tune. So it is definitely worth you going to play it and inspect it. But beyond that, between the seller's cellphone and my crummy PC speakers, it's hard to tell much more. I can try to listen later with better speakers though, that might help. But I know when I used to record my upright, it always sounded much better in person than in the recording, so it's really hard to say from the recording.

How much do you have to pay your tech for the inspection?


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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet] #2893543
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Hmm, have you gone to see it in person by yourself yet? If it's not a super long drive, I would recommend that you go and play it yourself and then if you like it, arrange to go again with your tech.

BTW I know nothing about the P22. Just from the video, it looks very clean, which is good. The keyboard appears even/level (which is important but it's hard to tell how good it is from the video), and I would say it sounds like it's reasonably in tune. So it is definitely worth you going to play it and inspect it. But beyond that, between the seller's cellphone and my crummy PC speakers, it's hard to tell much more. I can try to listen later with better speakers though, that might help. But I know when I used to record my upright, it always sounded much better in person than in the recording, so it's really hard to say from the recording.

How much do you have to pay your tech for the inspection?

Shiro, thanks for looking at the video. I have not seen it in person. It's about an hour away, so it's within driving distance for me to go try it out. This is new to me, so I was thinking I'd go at the same time as the tech I'd hire for the inspection, similar to how a home inspection is done? I don't know any techs (I own a digital piano) so I'll need to call around to find someone that does inspections and get a quote.


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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet] #2893544
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In general it looks and sounds good. What is the price?

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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet] #2893551
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Played a nice Yamaha P22 at a Church a few years ago and thought it played and sounded very nice. The action felt good, and it was in good tune, and had a nice tone. I was impressed.

I agree that a tech inspection would be a good idea. If Peter were close by, he would definitely be your man! He's helped me out with piano tech related issues more than once. smile

Good luck!

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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet] #2893584
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These are very good and often sound beautiful. Really tough pianos made
to last .Sounds good.

Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: P W Grey] #2893630
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Originally Posted by P W Grey
In general it looks and sounds good. What is the price?Pwg

Thank you for checking it out. Since everything is looking okay so far I will contact the seller to check it out in person and have a tech look at it as well. The price is $2,850 or OBO. That includes the matching bench, delivery, and a tune up before and after.

Thanks also Rick and Lady for your comments. I like the action of the P22 I play at my lessons. Though I'm hoping the one I'm looking into has a warmer tone to it.


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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet] #2894029
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So, it turns out the seller is a piano technician. He agreed to my offer of $2,500 and is fine with me having another technician looking it over. I'm hoping to be able to try it out maybe this week or next. I think the inspection will cost around $100-$150, from what I've seen posted on a couple of local techs' websites. Does that price seem fair? It includes the bench, delivery and tune-up. If it seems like it should be a lot lower then I'd rather go back with a new offer than overpay too much.

edit: I'm okay with overpaying some to get a nice piano I like, just not by 100s of dollars. smile

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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet] #2894042
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That seems very reasonable to me. Did you figure out how old it was? If you copy down the serial number (if I recall, that's visible near the beginning of the video) it shouldn't be hard to figure out.

When are you going to go try it out?


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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: ShiroKuro] #2894128
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
That seems very reasonable to me. Did you figure out how old it was? If you copy down the serial number (if I recall, that's visible near the beginning of the video) it shouldn't be hard to figure out.

When are you going to go try it out?

Perhaps a student technician may charge less.
You could ask around churches or schools
if they know of someone who would give you
a cheaper price for the inspection.

Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet] #2894136
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Oh, seeing LadyBird's post made me realize my post was unclear.

I mean $2500 for the piano seems reasonable.

For the inspection, $50-100 seems right, but $150 for the inspection seems too expensive to me.

If you can find someone who doesn't have to drive far, then $50 seems good.... But then you're not developing a relationship with a new tech for after-care, in which case you'd want someone closer to you... which would mean they'd have a longer drive...

Inspections are complicated!! :P


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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: ShiroKuro] #2894149
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
That seems very reasonable to me. Did you figure out how old it was? If you copy down the serial number (if I recall, that's visible near the beginning of the video) it shouldn't be hard to figure out.

When are you going to go try it out?

The seller says it was manufactured in 1998 in Thomaston, GA, and I believe it says that on the inside of the piano (the video is a bit blurry when showing the made in USA stamp). However, the Yamaha website indicates there should be a T in front of the serial number if it was made in Thomaston, GA, but tit's just plain 232826. When I enter that number in the Yamaha data base (here) it says it's a P22 DAO, Made in the USA, but doesn't provide a date. Sooo... all that to say, to the best of my knowledge, it was built in 1998.

And thank you for weighing in on the price. That's reassuring to me. smile

edit: To answer your other question: I'll be looking at it later next week.

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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: Lady Bird] #2894151
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
That seems very reasonable to me. Did you figure out how old it was? If you copy down the serial number (if I recall, that's visible near the beginning of the video) it shouldn't be hard to figure out.

When are you going to go try it out?

Perhaps a student technician may charge less.
You could ask around churches or schools
if they know of someone who would give you
a cheaper price for the inspection.

Thanks for the tips, Lady Bird. I'll look into those resources.


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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: ShiroKuro] #2894152
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Oh, seeing LadyBird's post made me realize my post was unclear.

I mean $2500 for the piano seems reasonable.

For the inspection, $50-100 seems right, but $150 for the inspection seems too expensive to me.

If you can find someone who doesn't have to drive far, then $50 seems good.... But then you're not developing a relationship with a new tech for after-care, in which case you'd want someone closer to you... which would mean they'd have a longer drive...

Inspections are complicated!! :P

Well I thought that was a bit pricey, too. I'll shop around some more. I had only looked at 2 places so far.


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Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet] #2894164
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Inspections are complicated but worthwhile ! (Sorry ShiroKuro ,I hope you do not mind me adding this )

Re: Considering buying a used Yamaha P22 [Re: Lady Bird] #2894209
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
That seems very reasonable to me. Did you figure out how old it was? If you copy down the serial number (if I recall, that's visible near the beginning of the video) it shouldn't be hard to figure out.

When are you going to go try it out?

Perhaps a student technician may charge less.
You could ask around churches or schools
if they know of someone who would give you
a cheaper price for the inspection.


A "student technician," if such a person exists, could be a risk. What are his/her qualifications? How far along the learning process is s/he? I would be wary about relying on the advice of someone who may not yet be fully trained and qualified in the field.

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Bruce I agree but it is better than taking no one ! Some technicians or tuners seem to have vast differences in expertise.I realise and I, myself always rely on a RPT but there seem to be a great deal
of very competent technicians who have not yet acieved that diploma .Some are competent piano re
builders others are studying towards the certificate.These people are
associates members I believe of the Guild.
Then there are others who I do not see mentioned as associates with the Guild but are competent technicians TO A LARGE degree.I had one who tuned my old grand and U1 .He tuned beautifully.
Every 3 years I would get a RPT to check regulation and voicing or if there was a problem.
So one has choices, if one is going to spend $7000 on a piano you can choose a RPT if you can get one who will be interested ! (to just do an inspection)

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