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Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 #2893023
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I have a very hard decision to make am buying my first good piano because what I was learning on was not close to an acoustic piano at all. Anyways I saw a used Yamaha clp-430 in a very flawless condition at the price of the (Roland FP-30 with stand and pedals), so I was wondering which key action do you guys recommend: the GH3 or PHA4 standard. Thanks for your time and help.

Btw is the clp430 even still valuable or worth it?!!

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Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: Moscovium] #2893027
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What about a brand new ydp 164 instead of used clp 430? It is basically the same piano and you get it new. Unless the clp is at a wonderful low price, but i guess it is not the case.
Then ydp vs fp... I don't know. The one you like the most

Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: Moscovium] #2893042
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Originally Posted by Moscovium
I have a very hard decision to make am buying my first good piano because what I was learning on was not close to an acoustic piano at all. Anyways I saw a used Yamaha clp-430 in a very flawless condition at the price of the (Roland FP-30 with stand and pedals), so I was wondering which key action do you guys recommend: the GH3 or PHA4 standard. Thanks for your time and help.

Btw is the clp430 even still valuable or worth it?!!

Depends on what you are looking for and need. If you want a piano for playing piano and generating piano sounds, and you have no other requirements, then I think FP30 with the PHA4 will be more satisfying from the perspective of keyboard action.


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Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: Moscovium] #2893074
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I'd be concerned about age. The CLP430 was sold from 2011 to 2014. So it's at least five years old.

I wonder about the "flawless condition". There isn't much on the outside of a piano that can go wrong. It's what's inside that counts, and you can't see any of that.

When new it sold in the US for around $2000, perhaps a bit more. You say that it's priced about the same as a new FP30 with stand. That's $700, yes? I think you might try to get the CLP430 for less, if possible.

But on balance I'd lean toward the FP30. Brand new. With warranty. Not as nice looking as the CLP430. But it's new. With warranty. smile

One thing I've omitted ...
Have you tried both pianos? How does the feel compare? How does the sound compare?
Aside from condition ... I think those are the most important items.
Originally Posted by Moscovium
I have a very hard decision to make am buying my first good piano because what I was learning on was not close to an acoustic piano at all. Anyways I saw a used Yamaha clp-430 in a very flawless condition at the price of the (Roland FP-30 with stand and pedals), so I was wondering which key action do you guys recommend: the GH3 or PHA4 standard. Thanks for your time and help.

Btw is the clp430 even still valuable or worth it?!!


Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2893105
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What am looking for is a digital piano that is the most closest to an acoustic, thanks a lot for your help, I don't really care about the other sounds in the Roland FP-30 I just want to make sure that what am learning on is ombrabl to an acoustic piano to a descent level.

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Have you heard the FP-30, and do you like it? Not everybody likes the sound of it -to put it mildly.

Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: MacMacMac] #2893116
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I didn't see or try the the CLP-430 but I have tried the GH3 action, in the other hand I have played on the roland FP-30 I liked the sound but I was surprised that the PHA4 standard felt a lot lighter than the GH3. Am not a professional so I don't have a test yet to decide for my self, I just want to know which have a closer hammer weight to an acoustic piano.
Besides all the the specs are the same besides the action,sounds and speakers.

The Yamaha have a massive 30W×2 and the Roland have 11W×2. Everything else is pretty much the same, and does the roland pedals that come with stand have half pedaling?!

If you have tricks to check on the condition of the used Yamaha that would be great too.

Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: Moscovium] #2893124
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Originally Posted by Moscovium
I was surprised that the PHA4 standard felt a lot lighter than the GH3.


People often complain that Yamahas are heavy.

Originally Posted by Moscovium
Am not a professional so I don't have a test yet to decide for my self...


Well, at least you got the heaviness right.

Originally Posted by Moscovium
...I just want to know which have a closer hammer weight to an acoustic piano.


Probably the Roland then as the Yamaha is said to be "unnaturally heavy".

Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: Moscovium] #2893232
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Any one have better pianos that I could find in this price range used or an used, that would be great, thanks everyone for your help.

Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: clothearednincompo] #2893334
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"unnaturally heavy" doesn't this mean a closer action to an acoustic than the Roland?

How is that their best keyboard action is heavier than an acoustic?!




This is too confusing, all of these keyboard actions I just want to buy a piano that when I come to an acoustic it wont be that big of a deal to play because my fingers have the strength its needs to play an acoustic.

Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: Moscovium] #2893533
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Originally Posted by Moscovium
"unnaturally heavy" doesn't this mean a closer action to an acoustic than the Roland?

No.
Two points most people don't realize:
1. There is a huge range of difference in key weighting between acoustic pianos. However the top brands like Steinway and Fazioli have keys with minimized grading: downweight/touchweight of about 50grams in the bass (A1) down to about 47 grams in the treble (C8).
2. (Most) acoustic grands have counterweights added in the keys to offset the weight of the hammers - however these cause extra inertia/momentum in the keys and therefore reduce the speed at which the key can return back up - thereby reducing the responsiveness (fast trills/repeated notes can't be played - e.g. Billy Joel's Prelude to Angry Young Man).

Acoustic piano manufacturers therefore try to minimize both of these things: counterweights + differences between key weighting (grading).

For digital pianos these two limitations can be removed entirely simply because hammers don't need to be as heavy as a 9 foot Acoustic grand.

If you play the Yamaha CLP-685 you will see you heavy and sluggish the keys are.

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Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: Burkie] #2893603
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So do you think that the FP-30 have closer action to an stainway sons piano compared to the Yamaha?! Because my dream is to preform on one of them, and if the FP-30 is closer well what am I waiting for?!!

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Originally Posted by Moscovium
So do you think that the FP-30 have closer action to an stainway sons piano compared to the Yamaha?! Because my dream is to preform on one of them, and if the FP-30 is closer well what am I waiting for?!!

LOL. The FP30 that I had before isn't even close to my current Avantgrand N1X - I was reminded of this by visiting a friend this weekend and playing on her FP30. (The FP30 is still better than the other ones you are considering, though.)


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Re: Buying my first good piano.(Roland FP-30 vs Yamaha CLP-430 [Re: Moscovium] #2893688
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If I take you literally ...
Originally Posted by Moscovium
So do you think that the FP-30 have closer action to an stainway ...
... that might be true. smile

But assuming you meant Steinway ... then no. Few digital pianos have action anywhere close to that of a grand piano.

The marketing material has for decades claimed that the action comes close ... or that it was "inspired" by the world's finest grand pianos.
But that's all rubbish. They're not close. Not for $500. Not for $1000. Not even for $5000.

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Am not talking about the mechanism of the digital piano, I just want three things, weight of the keys(how hard you should prace them), escapement AKA the sensors and the feel of the keys.

The last one I dont care a lot about it, but you got the idea, I don't care about the clic or what's keys are made of or if there's a hammer or not, you feel me?!


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