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Door to door piano salesmen #2892572
09/21/19 07:10 AM
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As a 21st Century person, it is difficult to think that this could happen today, but I thought I would share something that was shared with me back in the 1980's.

Apparently in the 1950's in Japan there were door to door piano salesmen. I believe Yamaha had them first, but then Kawai joined in. When a family would have a baby they would get a visit from these salesmen. The family would enroll in a payment plan immediately and have a piano delivered a few years later when the child could begin to play.

Can you imagine that happening today where you live? How do you think that would work?

If anyone has more knowledge about this (DIRECT knowledge would be very cool), please share. Does anyone know of this happening in any other area of the world?

For veteran members, you will understand that it is times like this that I miss Vince Grantano around here.


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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892608
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I really can’t imagine it anywhere but maybe in Japan. Here we did have door to door vacuum cleaner salesmen that lugged big Electrolux vacuum cleaners from house to house. Those vacuum cleaners weighed a ton, especially with all the attachments. Or encyclopedias. Those were expensive and also weighed a ton. I remember the Fuller brush man. My Mother had “Harold the dress man”, come to her door with a selection of new dresses for her and maybe even my little sister.
The only door to door sales we get now thank heavens is kids selling candy for the music band to go to camp, which I buy even though I’m a Type I diabetic, and the Jehova Witnesses trying to give us pamphlets. I usually have a Bible discussion with them at the door. 12 years of Catechism study, I can hold my own. Poor folks leave in dismay. 😀
Thanks for sharing that trivia with us Rich! It just shows how different and fascinating our cultures are.


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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892617
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This was a well known avenue for sales here in the US, especially in the rural areas in the early part of the 20th century.


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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892630
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I have always liked this marketing idea. Especially if it also also included 6 months of free lessons when the child, (or adult) is ready. However:

I am not an Attorney, but my understanding of Consumer Trade Laws would preclude this kind of deal.

My understanding of the term "Sale"; is the product must be in the buyers control before the "Sale" is final. So, suibscribing to buy one to be delivered sometime in the future is a "down payment", not a sale and it can be refunded at any time the the buyer demands.

I certainly wouldn't want to carry a risk like that on my order books.

Maybe if it is structured as a lease/purchase deal it might be possible. But I can't imagine many dealers accepting sales like this without a significant withdrawal penalty to the buyer if they default/cancel.


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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892669
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If I remember correctly, a lot of the door to door sales ended when in the 70’s they would send teenage kids to sell magazine subscriptions door to door “for their college tuition”, when in fact the teenagers were runaways or homeless and would be forced to work hours and hours for little to no pay. After the scam was revealed, I no longer saw door to door magazine sales.


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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892673
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And considering that, on average, people move about every 7 years, it would certainly be a tough sell. Now, if they actually had the piano in their truck and could deliver it right then and there...well now, that's a different story. 😁

Like the meat guys...

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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892677
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I've done door to door sales, but never for pianos, lol! That just seems like it would come across as desperate. Door-to-door sales only really works if its for something that pretty much everybody has/needs (home improvement companies and security companies still go door-to-door). As others have pointed out, going door-to-door is commonly associated with less than reputable business practices, so any time you do it you have to get over a huge lack of credibility with the customer. No thank you!

I think my time is better spent online these days. It's 2019, market yourself in more effective and relevant ways.


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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892714
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Such an interesting topic. I wonder how the salesmen displayed the pianos they were selling? Pictures, brochures, or maybe miniatures?


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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892725
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The tales that I have heard said that they basically loaded up a cart or truck with pianos and rode the back roads with some inventory. This would never work today.


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Originally Posted by j&j
If I remember correctly, a lot of the door to door sales ended when in the 70’s they would send teenage kids to sell magazine subscriptions door to door “for their college tuition”, when in fact the teenagers were runaways or homeless and would be forced to work hours and hours for little to no pay. After the scam was revealed, I no longer saw door to door magazine sales.

This scam is very much alive and thriving, exploiting young people.

http://stopchildlabor.org/?p=4350

Van loads of magazine sellers pass through my neighborhood every year or two.

If someone knocks at your door selling magazines or chocolate with a sales pitch about earning money for college or management training, you should just interrupt them and ask if they want to call home.



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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892735
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I was reading the other day how Yamaha encouraged the study of musical education in Japan. I need to look at that article again !

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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
As a 21st Century person, it is difficult to think that this could happen today, but I thought I would share something that was shared with me back in the 1980's.

Apparently in the 1950's in Japan there were door to door piano salesmen. I believe Yamaha had them first, but then Kawai joined in. When a family would have a baby they would get a visit from these salesmen. The family would enroll in a payment plan immediately and have a piano delivered a few years later when the child could begin to play.

Can you imagine that happening today where you live? How do you think that would work?


There was a time when door-to-door sales was common and legit, especially if they carry with them the merchandise they're selling. Scams go back pretty far too (this is the basis of the The Music Man musical). It'd be difficult to carry pianos though. wink

Re. the 21st century, though, I don't like people coming to my door unexpected. And I've seen it a lot lately. Roofers and other people offering "free inspections." Painters and lawn crews. Political door knocking has increased lately too. It's a nuisance IMO.



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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892744
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Fuller Brush Company and encyclopedias were also once commonly sold door-to-Door. Now I only get magazine salesmen, or home improvement sales.

I no longer answer the door to anyone unknown. When I was passing out flyers for a missing pet, few people would answer the door.

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Originally Posted by dogperson
Fuller Brush Company and encyclopedias were also once commonly sold door-to-Door. Now I only get magazine salesmen, or home improvement sales.

I no longer answer the door to anyone unknown. When I was passing out flyers for a missing pet, few people would answer the door.



My wife will also not answer the door to anyone unknown. You cannot be too safe nowadays.


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Originally Posted by dogperson
Fuller Brush Company and encyclopedias were also once commonly sold door-to-Door. Now I only get magazine salesmen, or home improvement sales.

I no longer answer the door to anyone unknown. When I was passing out flyers for a missing pet, few people would answer the door.


This gives me a reason to post this John Prine song about the Fuller Brush man:



with these immortal lines:

I come home from work this evening
There was a note in the frying pan
It said fix your own supper babe
I run off with the Fuller brush man


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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892850
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Thanks Larry 🤠. Hope it doesn’t become an ear worm


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Haha, well, we expect repetition in music and we are happy when it happens. Repeating a whole song in your head is like that. I’m reading this fascinating book on repetition in music:

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Basically, we build predictions of what will repeat in music. Those predictions are satisfied or not, and then we form new predictions. The author points out that repetition in spoken language is not as well accepted as repetition in music.


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Re: Door to door piano salesmen [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892998
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Thanks for the tangent, Larry! Elizabeth and I went to school together, and I’d been wondering what she’s up to these days...


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I just wonder what would be more depressing, your wife leaving you for the Fuller Brush man, or the door to door piano salesman? The piano salesman would be easier to chase down! 😄


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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Thanks for the tangent, Larry! Elizabeth and I went to school together, and I’d been wondering what she’s up to these days...


Oh, wow, that’s cool, where was that?

I have a friend who has a music degree from Columbia University and he has been working on algorithmic composition for decades. He recommended this book to me along with a book entitled Sweet Anticipation by David Huron.

It is funny how I can trigger whole songs to play in my head but I am not able to do that for, say, poems, plays, or novels that I have read.

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